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This week on Hate To Break It To Ya I sat down with Nathan Apffel — Emmy-nominated filmmaker, Christ follower, and the creator of the docuseries The Religion Business — and what started as a conversation about his documentary turned into one of the most wide-open, genuinely surprising talks I've had on this show. Nathan drove down from San Diego to be here, and I'm glad he did, because this one went places I didn't expect.

Nathan's whole thing is the money. Not whether churches should exist — he's a believer, he's clear about that — but the legal architecture that lets a pastor collect $500,000 a week from a congregation, pay himself a tax-free housing allowance on an $18 million real estate portfolio, fold an investment fund and a TV network under the church's umbrella, and never show a dollar of it to anyone. Not the government, not the congregation, not the IRS. We got into how you can literally start a church today with nothing more than a state filing and an EIN number, how the LDS Church has $300 billion in investments and is the second-largest private landowner in the United States, and how Kenneth Copeland built a $750 million empire by mailing letters to elderly women. Nathan also told me about the time he showed up at Fellowship Church in Grapevine, Texas, with a sign asking the pastor one simple question about his housing allowance — and got surrounded by 15 security guards with expired licenses, had his phone grabbed out of his hand, and ended up in handcuffs. It's all in the show.

We also went deep on the stuff I didn't plan for — the Big Bang versus creation, the Nephilim, 666 translating to Nero Caesar in the Hebrew numerical alphabet, why the King James Bible got rewritten, soaking, the celestial kingdom, entropy as a spiritual concept, and whether Jesus came to make bad people good or dead people alive. Nathan's a surfer from Burbank who got into editing after a traumatic brain injury at 16, directed one of the worst-reviewed films in IMDB history, and spent 15 years researching a documentary that Tucker Carlson and Sean Ryan both called essential viewing. He's the real deal, and this conversation earned every minute of its runtime.

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About Nathan Apffel:

Nathan Apffel is an Emmy Award-winning filmmaker and entrepreneur based in Utah, best known as the director and creator of The Religion Business, a multi-part investigative docuseries exposing financial fraud, abuse, and lack of accountability inside American religious institutions. He began his career editing action sports content for brands like Oakley after a traumatic brain injury ended his surfing and skating at age 16, later directing travel TV for Fuel TV and operating on shows including Temptation Island. The Religion Business — co-produced with decorated combat veteran and entrepreneur Chris Ayoub — is available on Amazon Prime Video, Apple TV, and YouTube Movies, with Season 2 currently in production. Nathan has appeared on Tucker Carlson's show and the Shawn Ryan Show to discuss the series, and his Instagram platform @religionbusiness grew to over 100,000 followers within five months of launch.

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The Religion Business website: https://www.thereligionbusiness.com

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Timestamps:

00:00:00 – Welcome to Burbank: Nathan's Origin Story

00:01:49 – Traumatic Brain Injury, Final Cut One & Editing His Way In

00:03:24 – Chicks Dig Gay Guys: The Worst Directorial Debut Ever

00:07:06 – The Apffel Coffee Empire & LA History

00:10:54 – What Is The Religion Business?

00:16:01 – The $1 Trillion Unregulated Industry

00:26:39 – How to Start a Tax-Free Church in One Afternoon

00:30:01 – The LDS Church: $300 Billion, Defense Stocks & Soaking

00:43:45 – Kenneth Copeland, Prosperity Gospel & Mailing Lists

00:57:37 – Nathan Gets Arrested at Fellowship Church in Texas

01:10:57 – Joel Osteen, TBN & Buying Airtime With Donations

01:21:37 – Is Jesus Real? Creation vs. Chance

01:41:42 – The Nephilim, 666 & the Hebrew Numerical Alphabet

01:44:50 – King James, the Geneva Bible & Rewriting Scripture

01:56:52 – The Trinity, Interstellar & God Outside of Time

02:09:30 – Satanism, Epstein & the Architecture of Darkness

02:19:22 – Christ Came to Make Dead People Alive

02:29:00 – Season 2 & What Happens If Christians Actually Live Like Jesus

02:33:51 – Where to Watch The Religion Business

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This week on Hate To Break It To Ya I sat down with Kelly Dodd — former Real Housewives of Orange County cast member, co-host of The Daily Smash, and one of the most polarizing personalities to ever appear on Bravo — and she came in with absolutely zero filter. Kelly is the kind of guest who makes you realize within the first five minutes that the reputation is real, the energy is real, and the laughs are very, very real. She's been through the Bravo machine, got chewed up and spat out, and she's still standing — louder than ever.

We got into all of it. Kelly walked me through her five seasons on RHOC, the hostile first year where Heather Dubrow, Shannon Beador, and Tamra Judge came after her hard, and how she became the first person to drop a C-bomb on national reality TV. She talked about the "Drunk Wives Matter" hat that set Bravo executives screaming, the $16,000 fine they hit her with, and how the COVID anti-mask, anti-vax stance she took ultimately cost her the show. She opened up about her complicated history with Andy Cohen, the falling out over politics, and why she thinks she'll never be welcomed back on Bravo — and why she genuinely doesn't care. We also got into her daughter Jolie going off to college in Paris and coming home a completely different person politically, the Reddit rats who dox her and record every live she does, and the intra-group drama that erupted inside the Jeff Lewis Chump circle when a mutual friend publicly sided against her.

Kelly is one of those people you either love completely or can't stand — and she owns that. She's been called a racist, a bully, a troublemaker, and a MAGA maggot, and she'll look you dead in the eye and tell you she's a registered libertarian who loves gay people, hates big government, and lived in mainland China long enough to know exactly what creeping socialism looks like. Whether you agree with her or not, this conversation is ninety minutes of pure uncut Kelly Dodd, and I had a blast.

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About Kelly Dodd:
Kelly Dodd is best known as a cast member on The Real Housewives of Orange County, where she appeared from Season 11 through Season 15 before being fired by Bravo in 2021. Born Kelly Meza in Scottsdale, Arizona, she is of Mexican and Native American heritage and lived in San Francisco and mainland China before settling in Orange County. She is currently the co-host of The Daily Smash, a daily news and commentary show she produces with her husband, veteran journalist and former Fox News senior correspondent Rick Leventhal, who now anchors The Leventhal Report on Newsmax2. Kelly is also active on Patreon and runs her own product line, Wise Beauty.

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Timestamps:
00:00:00 – Cold Open: Whose Shoes Are These?
00:01:46 – Introducing Kelly Dodd
00:03:23 – Rick Leventhal: How They Met
00:08:11 – Kelly's Path to RHOC
00:12:44 – Daughter Jolie Goes Woke in Paris
00:17:00 – Fighting With Family Over Politics
00:20:16 – Jamie's Mexican Heritage & the Race Conversation
00:23:10 – Kelly's Personality: Super Stans vs. Super Haters
00:26:15 – The Reddit Rats and Dodd Derangement Syndrome
00:28:31 – RHOC: The Traumatic First Year
00:32:47 – Dropping the C-Bomb on National TV
00:35:00 – The "Drunk Wives Matter" Hat and Getting Fired
00:40:59 – COVID, the Vaccine, and Living in Communist China
00:45:09 – Libertarian Politics: What Kelly Actually Believes
00:48:11 – Andy Cohen, John Hill, and the Political Fallout
00:53:19 – Will Kelly Ever Return to Bravo?
00:58:01 – LA vs. Orange County vs. Scottsdale
01:01:00 – Jill Zarin, the Golden Years Show, and Getting Canceled
01:05:00 – The Doctor Feud: Cloud Chasing and Baiting
01:13:32 – The Jeff Lewis Chump Family and the Crystal Drama
01:21:00 – Wrapping Up: Chumps, Beefs, and Keeping It Private
01:32:21 – Where to Find Kelly Dodd

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This week on Hate To Break It To Ya I sat down with Sheriff Chad Bianco — the 14th Sheriff of Riverside County and Republican candidate for Governor of California — and I have to say, this one genuinely blew my mind. I've had a lot of guests on this couch, but when a sitting sheriff starts breaking down the machinery of corruption in plain English, you stop cracking jokes and you start taking notes.

We went deep on everything. COVID, the lockdowns, the hypocrisy of who got to stay open and who got shut down, and how Riverside County's March Air Force Base was actually the first recognized point of COVID entry into the United States — with Chad's deputies quarantining passengers from Wuhan before most of us even knew what was happening. From there we got into the new outbreak fears, why Chad says he's not locking anything down again, and what he thinks is really behind these lab-created viruses. Then we moved into the five biggest problems destroying California — overregulation, oil suppression, the housing crisis, the fires, and the homeless industrial complex — and I promise you, the way he connects these dots is something you will not hear anywhere else. We talked about the lithium mine sitting dormant in California that could make us the world's supplier and end our 

reliance on China. We talked about Newsom's wife's $20 million diaper deal. We talked about Prop 47 making all drugs a misdemeanor, the body broker pipeline flooding Skid Row, and the insane truth behind SB 54 — the sanctuary state law that literally forces ICE out of jails and into neighborhoods, then lets politicians blame the feds for the fallout.

Chad Bianco is the real deal. He's not a career politician — he's a career public servant who pushed back on vaccine mandates, hired fired officers from other departments, and used overwhelming force to stop the 2020 riots in Riverside before they could burn the county down. He's running for governor because he believes California can be saved, and after two hours with this guy, I believe it too.

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About Chad Bianco:

Chad Bianco has served as the 14th Sheriff of Riverside County, California since January 2019, having first been elected in November 2018 and re-elected in 2022 with approximately 60 percent of the vote. A 30-plus-year veteran of the Riverside County Sheriff's Department, he graduated at the top of his class from the San Bernardino Sheriff's Academy and rose through the ranks over three decades. He gained national attention during the COVID-19 pandemic for refusing to enforce mask mandates and hiring law enforcement officers who were terminated elsewhere for declining the vaccine. He is currently a Republican candidate for Governor of California, with the primary election on June 2, 2026, running on a platform of ending the state income tax, achieving energy and oil independence, repealing California's sanctuary state law, and dismantling what he calls the homeless industrial complex. He and his wife Denise live in Woodcrest, California, and have four adult children.

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Website: https://biancoforgovernor.com

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Timestamps:

00:00:00 – Welcome: Sheriff Chad Bianco of Riverside County 

00:12:30 – Lockdowns, Lab Leaks & Are We Headed for Round Two? 

00:26:43 – The 5 Biggest Problems Destroying California 

00:43:10 – The Lithium Mine That Could Replace China 

00:57:06 – The Homeless Industrial Complex 

01:07:55 – Newsom's $20 Million Diaper Deal 

01:24:33 – Guns, Self-Defense & An Armed Society 

01:33:59 – ICE, SB 54 & the Sanctuary State Setup 

01:51:07 – The 2020 Riots & How Riverside Stopped Them 

02:02:49 – Vote June 2nd: Why Chad Bianco Is Running for Governor

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In this solo episode of Hate To Break It To Ya, I get into the literal hole that opened up under my driveway — 35 feet deep, undisclosed by the previous owner, and possibly connected to LA's underground tunnel system. Or it's a leech pit. Either way, I'm thinking merch. We're also seeing angel numbers everywhere and the pod is growing, so the universe is clearly on board.

From there I get into the LA mayor's race, and I'm all in on Spencer Pratt. I break down why a guy who lost his house in the Palisades fires and decided to run for mayor makes more sense than the career politicians who've been running this city into the ground. I react to clips of the debate — Lydia making the common-sense case, the other side rolling their eyes at constituents — and I get into the Lee Zeldin EPA hearing where he absolutely dismantles a blue-haired congresswoman who doesn't know what Loper Bright is. Then I go deep on the MacArthur Park needle program: why creating a drug utopia in the middle of the city attracts people from Barstow to Pahrump, why the Coffee Bean on Sunset has to lock up its stirring sticks, and why all of it is the same slippery slope playing out in slow motion.

The back half gets into the stuff that's keeping me up at night. A teacher wishing death on the sitting president. Mark Hamill promoting harm and calling it activism. My prediction that by July 1st they're going to try to shut things down — and why I've already spent $900 on food prep. Then we go deep on the Hantavirus cruise ship situation: the Andes strain, the MV Hondius, 29 passengers from 12 countries disembarking at St. Helena, one woman collapsing in the Johannesburg airport, and why Jo'burg as a transit hub is the perfect super-spreader petri dish. We close out with ancient structures as circuit boards, predictive programming in a 1978 Superman movie, and the theory that the entire earth is a giant motherboard. Stack your supplies. Much love.

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Timestamps:

00:00:00 – The Hole Under Jamie Kennedy’s Driveway

00:03:15 – Angel Numbers and Pod Growth

00:08:09 – Spencer Pratt for LA Mayor

00:15:50 – Lee Zeldin vs. the Blue-Hair Congresswoman

00:25:10 – Career Politicians and the Homeless Crisis

00:40:28 – The MacArthur Park Needle Program

00:54:29 – Coffee Bean Condiment Lockdown

01:00:30 – Enabling Bad Behavior and the Slippery Slope

01:03:01 – Teacher Wishing Death on the President

01:10:08 – Mark Hamill and the Lunatic Left

01:11:44 – July 1st Prediction and $900 Food Prep

01:13:34 – The Hantavirus Cruise Ship Breakdown

01:27:35 – Pentagon UFO Drops and Predictive Programming

01:31:14 – Ancient Structures as Circuit Boards

01:34:02 – Subscribe, Come to Shows, Peace Out

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This week on Hate To Break It To Ya I sat down with Harland Williams — Canadian-born comedian, cult movie icon, and one of the most genuinely original minds I've encountered in 30 years of this business — and I have to tell you, this one got weird fast and I loved every second of it. We've known each other for three decades, and somehow this is the first time we've really gone deep on camera. Buckle up.

We covered a lot of ground. Harland just wrote, directed, and starred in his new comedy film Wingman — out now on streaming — and the backstory of how it got made is almost as funny as the movie itself. He sent the script to Will Ferrell, Jim Carrey, Jason Bateman, and Ryan Gosling — yes, that Ryan Gosling, who used to house-sit for Harland and sleep in his guest room before he broke. None of them said yes, so Harland looked in the mirror and cast himself. He also fought hard to bring Kayla Wallace in from British Columbia at extra cost, insisted on Russell Peters doing an East Indian accent on screen for the first time ever, and cast me as the villain — a rival wingman named Eddie with a long wig and a Clint Eastwood stare-down energy. We even watched a scene from the film right here on the pod. The movie has set pieces, heart, and a dark secret between our two characters that you won't see coming.

But that's only half the conversation. Harland also went on record — publicly, for the first time — saying Richard Pryor and George Carlin never made him laugh. He'd take the Purple Rice guy from the Laugh Factory over either of them any day. We got into why so many comedians give the exact same answer when asked about their influences, whether that's conditioning or something weirder, and why Harland refuses to punch down at any comedian no matter how they got here. We also talked California — the taxes, the homeless crisis, the empty fire reservoirs, the delta smelt — and why this state is still a jewel that somebody needs to polish.

Harland Williams is one of a kind. This conversation reminded me exactly why.

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About Harland Williams:

Harland Williams is a Canadian-American comedian and actor best known for his scene-stealing roles in Dumb and Dumber, There's Something About Mary, Half Baked, RocketMan, and Sorority Boys. He is the creator of the Disney Junior animated series Puppy Dog Pals, an author and illustrator of children's books, and the host of The Harland Highway podcast. His new film Wingman — which he wrote, directed, and stars in alongside Russell Peters, Jamie Kennedy, and Kayla Wallace — is now streaming. He is currently on his 2026 Comzilla Comedy Tour across the United States.

Follow Harland Williams

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/harlandwilliams/

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Website: https://www.harlandwilliams.com

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Timestamps:

00:00:00 – Hot Cocoa Suspicion & Mic Arm Intro

00:05:09 – Harland's New House & Loving California

00:09:51 – California's Problems: Taxes, Homelessness & Mismanagement

00:17:01 – The LA Fires, Empty Reservoirs & the Delta Smelt

00:22:10 – Stupidity vs. Conspiracy: Wrong Directors in the Wrong Seats

00:27:28 – The Comedy Pipeline Then vs. Now

00:30:13 – Purple Rice: The Unknown Comic Who Lived Rent-Free for 40 Years

00:36:28 – Art Directs Us — Not the Other Way Around

00:39:56 – Harland Quits His Busboy Job & Goes to See Purple Rain

00:43:00 – George Carlin, Richard Pryor & Comedy Conditioning

00:53:03 – Is Comedy Just About the Laugh?

01:00:25 – Wingman: The Movie — Origin Story & 16 Years in the Making

01:02:00 – Ryan Gosling House-Sat for Harland (And His Sisters Know It)

01:05:44 – Casting Wingman: Kayla Wallace, Russell Peters & Michael Rosenbaum

01:13:47 – The Koala, the Set Pieces & What Makes Wingman Different

01:21:28 – The Toothpick Showdown & Jamie's Character Eddie

01:24:10 – Wingman Is Out Now — Where to Watch & Tour Info

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