Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan

Part 2: The Nancy Guthrie kidnapping case has sparked national interest as the days continue to add up. As of today, Nancy Guthrie has been missing 25 days. Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack look at the forensic evidence left behind inside the house as well as articles of evidence found by local citizens trying to help find the 84-year-old mother of Today Show Co-Host, Savannah Guthrie.






Transcribe Highlights
00:00.07 Introduction Guthrie Part 2
02:22.10 DNA Profile didn't get hit in CODIS
07:43.42 DNA Profile in feces in a dry toilet
11:31.21 Getting a sample
15:53.69 What is "touch" DNA
20:07.83 Trying to understand movements of suspect and victim
24:58.58 Too many people involved
30:46.46 Tucson Couple finds bloody glove near scene
35:18.30 FBI did not respond as quickly as hoped
40:08.54 Reason agents leak talent contract terms
41:19.73 Conclusion

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The 84-year-old mother of Today Show host Savannah Guthrie, Nancy Guthrie, was last seen January 31, 2026 around 9:47pm. The next day around noon, Nancy Guthrie is reported missing. More than three weeks later she is still missing. Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack explore the forensic evidence left behind and how it has been treated by officials on the ground in an attempt to uncover the one piece of evidence that will bring Nancy Guthrie home.






Transcribe Highlights
00:02.33 Introduction - Security
01:07.26 Securing a Crime Scene
03:59.01 Nancy Guthrie - Why her?
08:44.60 Sheriff's department turned scene released back to the family
13:57.53 Comparing Heuermann home
19:46.55 Blood on the ground
25:08.12 Direction blood takes investigator
29:53.66 Blood with a bubble like appearance
35:02.04 2:28am at least 20 feet away from Apple watch
40:18.20 Foot step making impression on floor
45:30.29 How often is Guthrie home cleaned?
47:41.59 Conclusion Part One
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The Elmira Police Department named Alfred Raymond Murray Jr. as the lone suspect in the 1964 murder of 12-year-old Mary Simpson.
The case remained unsolved for 62 years, but it was never forgotten. After getting a grant from the Season of Justice in 2022, Elmira police, with the assistance of the FBI, reopened the case using modern forensic methods.
In 2023, the Elmira Police Department partnered with the Criminal Investigation Resource Center at Russell Sage College, and the case was organized and digitized, allowing for a review of evidence and forensics.
Forensic evidence from the case was sent to Othram's laboratory in the Woodlands, Texas, where scientists were able to build a comprehensive DNA profile of the unknown suspect.
The profile was used by the FBI's forensic genetic genealogy team, and working together with the Elmira Police Department, investigators found the suspect, Alfred Raymond Murray Jr.
Murray died on March 16, 2004, at the age of 73, almost 40 years to the day. Mary Simpson vanished on March 15, 1964. She was 12.
Transcribe Highlights
00:00.00 Introduction Update Mary Simpson
05:12.41 Finding identity of killer
10:00.17 A rookie cop in 1964 would be in his/her 80s now
15:00.91 Community was looking for Mary Simpson, 12
20:03.67 Killer shoved dirt in Mary's mouth
25:04.15 Predator will stand over victim
30:40.23 Othram did genetic genealogy
31:37.91 Murray may have been responsible for multiple sexual assaults on children for years
34:57.02 Mary's body covered in rocks and dirt, choked to death
37:02.08 Conclusion

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The King County Medical Examiner's Office ruled Kurt Cobain's death on April 5, 1994, was the result of a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head. In the last 30 plus years many theories of what "really" happened have appeared in books and documentaries but now comes a team of independent forensic scientists who are calling for a fresh investigation into the death of the 27-year-old. Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack discuss the investigation into the death of Kurt Cobain, was it self-inflicted as originally thought, or did someone get away with murder.







Transcribe Highlights
00:00.00 Introduction
01:54.87 Kurt Cobain death - study claims homicide
07:15.49 Grunge movement
10:06.79 The 27 Club
15:05.10 Working the Guthrie Kidnapping
20:16.32 Cobain had recent NPW
24:56.30 Drug abuse deaths are shocking
30:27.27 Cobain is in garage apartment, by himself
35:10.51 Checking mouth during autopsy - evidence of fouling, no stippling
40:17.50 Tolerance of the user is part of the discussion
45:27.40 Study is peer reviewed - International Journal of Forensic Science
50:08.25 Lungs become very heavy
53:57.93 Conclusion
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More information has been dropped on the Jeffrey Epstein files and two things are taking center stage: 1. The autopsy and 2. New Mexico Ranch. Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack discuss the autopsy and the ranch in New Mexico. Professor Morgan explains what happens when an autopsy is being observed by another professional such as Dr Michael Baden and what the "facts" determined during the autopsy mean regarding homicide or suicide.






Transcribe Highlights
00:00.00 Introduction Epstein
03:07.94 More info keeps dropping
07:12.66 New focus on New Mexico ranch
12:20.59 Epstein worth $577 million
17:15.13 Michael Baden an observer at Epstein autopsy
22:55.99 Baden would have been taking notes
28:04.65 Epstein death more consistent with homicide
34:24.21 The furrow is very high on the neck
39:31.13 Impact injury below shoulder
43:49.58 After Autopsy it was agreed more info was needed
48:02.68 Conclusion

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