Elk Hunt

Eight years ago, Jack Lander and I did a podcast right after he killed a bull with his compound. This time he's back after another absolutely nuts season with a longbow and a recurve in the thick Roosevelt country of the Pacific Northwest. If you've heard that this was a rough year to find elk, Jack's crew still managed to put four bulls on the ground, and some of those were at seven yards.

We start with why Jack walked away from the compound. He says it comes down to the challenge, and he found that nothing beats a trad kill when it all comes together. From there we get into what makes Roosevelt hunting so different from Rockies and sagebrush country. Think 18 yards without ever seeing the elk, tunnels you have to crawl through like a rabbit, and bulls that will actually come to a terrible little squeal after they've pegged you.

Then Jack walks me through his season. He and his buddy Sam killed two bulls in the same day, an hour apart, and I can't name another person I know who's done that. We also dig into hunting pressure and the road-rig bugle circus, why cow and calf calling into good habitat might be the move, and how finding a canyon with a hot cow can change everything. Jack also tells the story of the time he lost Larry D. Jones in the woods (search and rescue included). We wrap with a last-day-of-season bull that died in 13 seconds on camera.

Whether you chase Roosevelts, Rockies, or just want to understand how to hunt pressured elk, there's a lot to take away here.

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Chapters (estimated)

0:00 – Intro and sponsors

2:15 – Welcome, Jack

4:00 – Why Jack switched from compound to traditional

7:00 – What makes Roosevelt elk hunting different

12:00 – Season goals and a repeat of last year's success

14:30 – Two bulls in one day: Sam's bull and Jack's seven-yard bull

18:30 – Hunting pressure, road rigs, and cow/calf calling

24:00 – Hot cows, rut timing, and Bigfoot bulls

29:00 – The story of losing Larry D. Jones in the woods

33:30 – Mid-roll: Bridger Watch

35:00 – The smart old six-point and Brendan's bull

38:00 – Last day of season: Mason's bull on camera

43:00 – Covering ground, timing, and locating hot bulls

47:00 – How many days to kill a Roosevelt, and the role of luck

49:30 – Where to find Jack's films and wrap-up

Three Key Takeaways

When bulls go quiet, slip in and cow call. In pressured country, Jack and Cody both found that quiet cow and calf calling in good habitat can pull in bulls that won't answer a bugle. Plenty of bulls came in silent and never said a word.

Timing and a hot cow matter more than the canyon. A canyon can be dead for two weeks and then have four bulls screaming when a cow comes into estrus. Moving around and covering country until you find the hot pocket is the real game.

Skill gets you in position, but luck closes the deal. Jack figures about 10 days of hunting gives you a shot opportunity. Wind, cows, and brush all have to line up, so you need to hunt hard, stay patient, and be ready to capitalize on the one chance you get.

Man, this one's a good one. Cliff Gray's back on the show — if you remember, Cliff and I try to link up around this time every year, and it's turning into a bit of a tradition. This time we're diving deep into what he's picked up from running his Elk Hunting Masterclass this season — 35, 40 guys through scenario-based training — and honestly, some of the patterns he's seeing are gonna hit home for a lot of you.

We get into why indecision kills more hunts than bad luck does, how to actually recognize when you're sitting in a 0% probability situation (and why guys freeze up instead of doing something about it), and the exact playbook for what to do when a bull hangs up and starts barking at you. Cliff breaks down solo tactics for getting a bull raking and using that window to close the distance, why he's skeptical on rattling but won't rule it out, and a mountain goat stalk story of mine that gets into precision at distance versus just "getting close enough."

We also talk about why knowing the exact location of a bedded animal is one of the biggest differentiators between guys who close the deal and guys who don't, the "it's always right where you left it" mindset, why playing peekaboo on a stalk will get you busted every time, and the psychology behind why we all feel the urge to rush a shot the second an opportunity shows up — even when patience would serve us better.

Cliff and I also get into the whole calf-calling-only debate that's been floating around elk hunting circles, and why having a system beats bouncing between tactics every single sit.

If you've ever wanted to sit in on one of Cliff's in-person scenario trainings, he tells you exactly how to find it. Grab a coffee, this one's packed.

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Chapter Timestamps (estimated from content pacing across the 56-minute episode)

Time Chapter 0:00 Intro — Welcome to the Elk Hunt Podcast 0:30 Sponsor: onX Hunt's new Share feature 2:00 Sponsor: Maven Optics 3:30 Welcoming Cliff Gray back to the show 5:00 What Cliff's learned coaching 35-40 students this year 8:00 Indecision and the 0% probability trap 12:00 The "bull hangs up and barks" scenario, breaking it down 18:00 Solo tactics — getting a bull raking and closing distance 23:00 Does rattling actually work? 27:00 Biggest rifle-hunting mistakes: knowing exactly where the animal is 33:00 Trusting your mark — "it's always right where you left it" 37:00 The peekaboo mistake on a stalk 40:00 Precision at distance — the mountain goat stalk story 45:00 Fighting the urge to rush a shot 49:00 Building a consistent system vs. jumping tactics 52:00 The calf-calling-only debate 55:00 Cliff's Elk Hunting Masterclass and how to sign up

Three Key Takeaways

Indecision is the silent killer. When a hunter is stuck between a low-probability option and doing nothing, doing nothing is almost always the worse choice — a 10-15% chance beats a guaranteed 0%.

Know exactly where the animal is before you commit to a stalk. Vague landmarks ("that big stump") fail in the field — pick a precise, trackable reference point, and trust that the animal is still there even when things go quiet.

The urge to rush a shot is often just your body wanting the stress to be over — not a real signal that time is up. Learning to distinguish genuine time-sensitive moments from manufactured urgency leads to better decisions and better shots.

I sat down with Jaden Bales this week for one of those conversations that starts as a catch-up and turns into a full-on masterclass — and I didn't even plan it that way. It's been way too long since Jaden and I recorded together (we live in the same town, so we keep telling ourselves we don't need a podcast to catch up — turns out we do).

Jaden's got a trail camera bull he's chasing this fall — a mid-July photo puts him around 340", with room to grow into the 350 range by September — and he wanted to pick my brain on how to actually turn this thing up before archery season opens. So that's exactly what we did.

We get into the real difference between hunting a "201-level" six-point and hunting a genuine target bull — because trust me, those are two completely different games. We talk about why elk don't respect your neat little three-mile circle on OnX, why a good bull might blow off his summer ground and go rut ten miles away, and why "air miles" is the only way to actually think about elk movement in big mountain country. We also get into backpack-hunt logistics, meat care in the backcountry, why purple roads and hiking trails matter less than you think (until they don't), and the mental shift it takes to go from "find one bull" to "learn four different herds at once."

If you've got a shooter on camera right now and you're trying to figure out your game plan for opening week, this episode is basically a free coaching session. Grab a coffee and get ready to think differently about how elk actually use the mountain.

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Chapters

Timestamp Segment 0:00 Intro — Welcome to the Elk Hunt Podcast 1:15 Sponsor: Tricer RP Bipod 2:45 Sponsor: Maven Optics 4:00 Catching up with Jordan Bales — wedding recap 6:30 First elk hunt four weeks out — this year's scouting mission 8:15 The trail camera bull — first photos and initial score estimate 11:00 Piecing together bull location vs. known cow herds 14:30 Why elk wander farther than most hunters assume 18:00 201 vs. 301 hunting: chasing a six-point vs. chasing a target bull 23:00 Why it takes a team to hunt one specific giant bull 27:30 Thinking in "air miles" instead of trail miles 31:00 Bachelor herds, rut timing, and reading bull behavior in late August 35:00 Strategy: kid gloves vs. hard-charging a target bull 39:00 Backcountry logistics — backpack hunting, horses, and pulling meat 43:00 Meat care and temperature management in the backcountry 46:00 Recreational hiker traffic — does it actually affect elk? 48:30 Roly-poly country vs. big mountain drainages — which makes you a better elk hunter 51:30 Hunt West coaching — booking a consult with Jordan 53:00 Outro — free hunt planner and show links

(Note: these timestamps are estimated proportionally based on conversation flow within the 50-minute runtime — swap in your actual DAW/editing timestamps before publishing.)

Three Key Takeaways

Think in air miles, not trail miles. The mental trap most hunters fall into is measuring distance the way a human experiences it — on foot, along trails. Elk cover ground on a completely different scale. A bull that seems "close" to a herd on the map might actually be far enough that he's already moved on to check her and bounce. Recalibrating your sense of distance is one of the biggest jumps from intermediate to advanced elk hunting.

Targeting one specific bull requires understanding every herd around him, not just his. The moment you commit to "301-level" hunting — chasing one specific animal instead of just filling a tag — the job changes from finding an elk to mapping an entire drainage system: every bachelor group, every cow herd, every likely wind-and-terrain funnel within a few miles. It's genuinely harder and less fun than general elk hunting, which is exactly why it usually takes a team.

Patience beats pressure with a known target bull. The instinct to hike straight into a bull's last known location and start calling is usually the fastest way to lose him for the season. Watching from a distance, learning what the herd is doing morning and evening, and staying in "kid glove" mode until you actually have eyes on him gives you a far better shot than blowing him out of the country on day one.

Alright guys, this one is mind-blowing. I know Mark Livesay is talented — you all know him from Treeline Academy, the best e-scouting course on the planet — but I was not ready for what he showed me on this episode. Mark's been locked in a cave for six months building something called Hunt Research IQ, and he brought it to the Elk Hunt Podcast for the very first reveal. First show. Nobody's seen this yet.

This isn't a draw odds app. This isn't a spreadsheet. This is 20 years of harvest data for elk and deer across 11 Western states, run through AI, and turned into heat maps, custom scoring sliders, unit comparisons, moisture tracking, remote-core calculations, and print-ready reports that make every other research platform out there look like it's stuck in 2005.

We get into how the scoring system works, why averaging three, five, and twenty years of data matters more than looking at last year's numbers, why Montana's fractional bonus points might be sabotaging your odds without you even knowing it, and how Mark's moisture-tracking tool is already changing how he plans hunts around drought years and burns.

Then we shift gears and talk burns, same-year fire strategy, moisture-driven elevation shifts during the rut, and Mark's own busted rotator cuffs — which means he might be strapping a crossbow to a llama this September. You don't want to miss this one.

Take a listen, then go dig into Hunt Research IQ yourself. Links below, and use code TRO for a discount from our guy Mark.

Brought to You By

onX Hunt

This episode is brought to you by onX Hunt. If you've been through our free four-hour e-scouting course over at elkhunt201.com, you know I preach building color-coded waypoints, markups, and tracks for every hunt. Building a folder, building a plan — that's the difference between showing up and figuring it out versus showing up ready. This is what onX is superior at: hunt planning. If you're not an Elite member yet, Elite has a ton of tools to help you plan better.

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Use code TRO when you upgrade to Elite for a special discount.

Maven Optics

This episode is also brought to you by the good folks over at Maven Optics. Direct-to-consumer optics company right out of Wyoming, and I've been using them for years. My favorite thing is watching people get their hands on a Maven for the first time and go, "Oh man, these are actually really good." Yeah — I told you. From binos to rangefinders to rifle scopes, Maven is the best bang for your buck out there, because you're not paying the big box store markup.

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Use code TRO at checkout for a special gift.

Chapters

Time Segment 0:00 Intro & sponsor reads (onX Hunt, Maven Optics) 4:30 Welcome Mark Livesay — the big reveal, first show, six months in build mode 8:15 Elevator pitch: what is Hunt Research IQ? 12:00 Why averaging 3/5/20-year data beats single-year snapshots 17:30 Building custom scoring sliders and unit health trends 23:00 The heat map: dragging, hovering, live data pulls 28:45 Comparing units side by side & the "unit profile card" 34:15 Rankings tab, health trend colors, and finding sleeper units 40:00 101 / 201 / 301 hunter framework — what stats matter at each level 47:00 Print reports, unit briefs, and AI-written unit descriptions 53:30 Montana's fractional bonus point trap explained 58:00 Remote core, road density, and what "remote" really means 1:03:00 Bull-per-square-mile harvest density and reading hunting pressure 1:09:00 Moisture tracking tool & elevation focus bands 1:14:00 Hunt planning suite, checklist tool, and hike time calculator 1:18:30 Talking burns: mosaic vs. straight-edge fire boundaries 1:24:00 Live demo — analyzing a current Utah fire for same-year burn potential 1:29:00 Mark's Island Park story: why elk drop elevation in dry years 1:34:00 Rut timing shifting later into September 1:37:00 Mark's rotator cuff injury, crossbow talk, and this year's hunt plan 1:39:30 Pricing, free trial, and where to find Hunt Research IQ 1:40:30 Outro & free hunt planner

(Timestamps are approximate — built from transcript flow, adjust to actual audio if needed.)

Three Key Takeaways

Averaging beats snapshots. A single year of harvest data can be wildly skewed by a low tag allocation or a random survey year. Looking at 3-year, 5-year, and all-time averages side by side — and watching whether a unit's score is trending up or down — tells you far more than last year's numbers alone.

In Montana, buying a bonus point can hurt you. Mark's tool surfaced something almost nobody talks about: hunters with zero points had roughly a 53% draw chance in some units, while hunters with a single fractional point dropped to 0%, because a set percentage of tags are reserved specifically for zero-point applicants. Understanding your state's fractional point system can change your entire application strategy.

"Go high" isn't a universal rule — moisture matters more. The common advice to push to the highest elevation in September doesn't always hold. In dry years, the grass at the top dies off first, and cows follow the moisture downhill toward better feed. Tracking soil moisture data for a basin can tell you more about where elk will actually be than elevation alone.

Alright guys, today's episode is a good one. I'm sitting down with Kevin Gower — a Colorado public land guy who's been in the elk woods since he was 12 years old and has packed out more elk than the years he's been hunting. That's 22 elk in 23 seasons. Not luck. Not private land. Public dirt, over the counter, doing it the hard way.

We get into it — why most guys aren't consistent on public land, the "cover ground" era of learning to elk hunt, and why the YouTube backpack-hunting romance can actually work against you when you're trying to learn a mountain. We talk mindset — the "today's the day" mantra, why you can't write the story before the hunt is over, and why the guys who stack hard experiences early end up with the confidence to go get it done later.

Kevin also walks through his biggest bull — a solo four-mile pack out in thirteen inches of fresh snow — and why moments like that are what separate hunters who quit from hunters who figure it out. We dig into silent bulls and why they're some of the most killable elk in the woods, calling strategy, reading pressure on the edge of private land, when to leave elk to go find better elk, and why learning to hunt the storm front instead of fighting the wind might be one of the most underrated skills in elk hunting.

This one's packed with real public land wisdom from a guy who's put in two decades on the same mountain. Grab a notebook, this is a good one.

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onX Hunt

Today's episode is brought to you by onX Hunt. If you haven't checked out our free 4-hour e-scouting course yet, go grab it at elkhunt201.com — it's completely free. Building a color-coded system of waypoints, markups, and tracks for your hunt is one of the most important things you can do before season. Too many guys draw a tag and just show up to figure it out — don't be that guy. If you're not an Elite member yet, Elite unlocks a ton of extra planning tools that'll make your prep this fall way more dialed in.

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Timestamped Chapters

(Approximate — based on episode flow, total runtime ~1:02:00)

00:00 – Intro / onX Hunt: free e-scouting course & building a hunt plan

02:15 – Bridger Watch: mapping-focused hunting smartwatch & onX integration

04:00 – Welcome Kevin Gower — gearing up for elk season

06:00 – Kevin's background: 22 elk in 23 seasons on public land in Colorado

08:15 – What most hunters get wrong: sitting in the same meadow vs. covering ground

11:30 – The YouTube generation, backpack hunting romanticism, and today's pressure

14:30 – Blocking out other hunters without losing your own game plan

17:15 – Mindset: "today's the day" and staying positive in the field

19:30 – Don't write the story before the hunt is over

22:30 – Early lessons learned solo, the 90/10 rule, and being more aggressive

25:30 – Kevin's biggest bull: solo 4-mile pack out in 13 inches of snow

29:30 – Stacking hard experiences to build confidence over time

33:00 – Pushing limits early — lessons for newer hunters

36:15 – Hunting a brand new unit for the first time this season

39:00 – E-scouting: finding elk vs. figuring out where people will be

43:00 – Staying balanced as a hunter & always having backup plans

46:30 – E-scouting and boots-on-the-ground as separate, underrated skills

49:15 – Recognizing elk in the field — don't walk past what's right in front of you

51:30 – Silent bulls: why quiet elk are often the most killable

55:00 – Calling strategy, patience, and reading stick breaks/non-verbal cues

58:15 – Reading pressure on private edges & when to leave elk to find elk

1:00:30 – Hunting the storm front instead of fighting bad wind

1:02:00 – Wrap-up, why you hunt, and closing advice for the season

3 Key Takeaways

Don't write the story before the hunt is over. It's easy to mentally give up on a season five days in when things aren't going your way. Both Kevin and the host agree — stay in the present, trust your prep, and don't decide the outcome before you've actually run out of time.

Silent bulls are still killable bulls. Pressured public land elk often won't respond to calls, but that doesn't mean they're unhuntable. Learning to locate, approach, and call elk in silently — without over-relying on a bugle response — opens up way more opportunities than waiting for a screaming match.

Sometimes the right move is to leave elk to go find better elk. Whether it's a herd locked up on private land or elk buried in noisy, impossible-to-approach downfall, burning days trying to force a bad setup can cost you more than it gains. Recognizing when a situation is unwinnable — and moving on to find more huntable elk — is a skill in itself.