EP234 The SIEM Paradox: Logs, Lies, and Failing to Detect
Guest: Svetla Yankova, Founder and CEO, Citreno Topics: Why do so many organizations still collect logs yet don’t detect threats? In other words, why is our industry spending more money than ever on SIEM tooling and still not “winning” against Tier 1 ... or even Tier 5 adversaries? What are the hardest parts about getting the right context into a SOC analyst’s face when they’re triaging and investigating an alert? Is it integration? SOAR playbook development? Data enrichment? All of the above? What are the organizational problems that keep organizations from getting the full benefit of the security operations tools they’re buying? Top SIEM mistakes? Is it trying to migrate too fast? Is it accepting a too slow migration? In other words, where are expectations tyrannical for customers? Have they changed much since 2015? Do you expect people to write their own detections? Detecting engineering seems popular with elite clients and nobody else, what can we do? Do you think AI will change how we SOC (Tim: “SOC” is not a verb?) in the next 1- 3 -5 years? Do you think that AI SOC tech is repeating the mistakes SOAR vendors made 10 years ago? Are we making the same mistakes all over again? Are we making new mistakes? Resources: EP223 AI Addressable, Not AI Solvable: Reflections from RSA 2025 EP231 Beyond the Buzzword: Practical Detection as Code in the Enterprise EP228 SIEM in 2025: Still Hard? Reimagining Detection at Cloud Scale and with More Pipelines EP202 Beyond Tiered SOCs: Detection as Code and the Rise of Response Engineering “RSA 2025: AI’s Promise vs. Security’s Past — A Reality Check” blog Citreno, The Backstory “Parenting Teens With Love And Logic” book (as a management book) “Security Correlation Then and Now: A Sad Truth About SIEM” blog (the classic from 2019)
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EP233 Product Security Engineering at Google: Resilience and Security
Guest: Cristina Vintila, Product Security Engineering Manager, Google Cloud Topic: Could you share insights into how Product Security Engineering approaches at Google have evolved, particularly in response to emerging threats (like Log4j in 2021)? You mentioned applying SRE best practices in detection and response, and overall in securing the Google Cloud products. How does Google balance high reliability and operational excellence with the needs of detection and response (D&R)? How does Google decide which data sources and tools are most critical for effective D&R? How do we deal with high volumes of data? Resources: EP215 Threat Modeling at Google: From Basics to AI-powered Magic EP117 Can a Small Team Adopt an Engineering-Centric Approach to Cybersecurity? Podcast episodes on how Google does security EP17 Modern Threat Detection at Google EP75 How We Scale Detection and Response at Google: Automation, Metrics, Toil Google SRE book Google SRS book
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EP232 The Human Element of Privacy: Protecting High-Risk Targets and Designing Systems
Guest: Sarah Aoun, Privacy Engineer, Google Topic: You have had a fascinating career since we [Tim] graduated from college together – you mentioned before we met that you’ve consulted with a literal world leader on his personal digital security footprint. Maybe tell us how you got into this field of helping organizations treat sensitive information securely and how that led to helping keep targeted individuals secure? You also work as a privacy engineer on Fuschia, Google’s new operating system kernel. How did you go from human rights and privacy to that? What are the key privacy considerations when designing an operating system for “ambient computing”? How do you design privacy into something like that? More importantly, not only “how do you do it”, but how do you convince people that you did do it? When we talk about "higher risk" individuals, the definition can be broad. How can an average person or someone working in a seemingly less sensitive role better assess if they might be a higher-risk target? What are the subtle indicators? Thinking about the advice you give for personal security beyond passwords and multi-factor auth, how much of effective personal digital hygiene comes down to behavioral changes versus purely technical solutions? Given your deep understanding of both individual security needs and large-scale OS design, what's one thing you wish developers building cloud services or applications would fundamentally prioritize about user privacy? Resources: Google privacy controls Advanced protection program
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EP231 Beyond the Buzzword: Practical Detection as Code in the Enterprise
Guest: David French, Staff Adoption Engineer, Google Cloud Topic: Detection as code is one of those meme phrases I hear a lot, but I’m not sure everyone means the same thing when they say it. Could you tell us what you mean by it, and what upside it has for organizations in your model of it? What gets better for security teams and security outcomes when you start managing in a DAC world? What is primary, actual code or using SWE-style process for detection work? Not every SIEM has a good set of APIs for this, right? What’s a team to do in a world of no or low API support for this model? If we’re talking about as-code models, one of the important parts of regular software development is testing. How should teams think about testing their detection corpus? Where do we even start? Smoke tests? Unit tests? You talk about a rule schema–you might also think of it in code terms as a standard interface on the detection objects–how should organizations think about standardizing this, and why should they? If we’re into a world of detection rules as code and detections as code, can we also think about alert handling via code? This is like SOAR but with more of a software engineering approach, right? One more thing that stood out to me in your presentation was the call for sharing detection content. Is this between vendors, vendors and end users? Resources: Can We Have “Detection as Code”? Testing in Detection Engineering (Part 8) “So Good They Can't Ignore You: Why Skills Trump Passion in the Quest for Work You Love” book EP202 Beyond Tiered SOCs: Detection as Code and the Rise of Response Engineering EP181 Detection Engineering Deep Dive: From Career Paths to Scaling SOC Teams EP123 The Good, the Bad, and the Epic of Threat Detection at Scale with Panther Getting Started with Detection-as-Code and Google SecOps Detection Engineering Demystified: Building Custom Detections for GitHub Enterprise From soup to nuts: Building a Detection-as-Code pipeline David French - Medium Blog Detection Engineering Maturity Matrix
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EP230 AI Red Teaming: Surprises, Strategies, and Lessons from Google
Guest: Daniel Fabian, Principal Digital Arsonist, Google Topic: Your RSA talk highlights lessons learned from two years of AI red teaming at Google. Could you share one or two of the most surprising or counterintuitive findings you encountered during this process? What are some of the key differences or unique challenges you've observed when testing AI-powered applications compared to traditional software systems? Can you provide an example of a specific TTP that has proven effective against AI systems and discuss the implications for security teams looking to detect it? What practical advice would you give to organizations that are starting to incorporate AI red teaming into their security development lifecycle? What are some initial steps or resources you would recommend they explore to deepen their understanding of this evolving field? Resources: Video (LinkedIn, YouTube) Google's AI Red Team: the ethical hackers making AI safer EP217 Red Teaming AI: Uncovering Surprises, Facing New Threats, and the Same Old Mistakes? EP150 Taming the AI Beast: Threat Modeling for Modern AI Systems with Gary McGraw EP198 GenAI Security: Unseen Attack Surfaces & AI Pentesting Lessons Lessons from AI Red Teaming – And How to Apply Them Proactively [RSA 2025]
Cloud Security Podcast by Google focuses on security in the cloud, delivering security from the cloud, and all things at the intersection of security and cloud. Of course, we will also cover what we are doing in Google Cloud to help keep our users' data safe and workloads secure.
We’re going to do our best to avoid security theater, and cut to the heart of real security questions and issues. Expect us to question threat models and ask if something is done for the data subject’s benefit or just for organizational benefit.
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