I Catch Killers with Gary Jubelin

Ex-cop turned defence lawyer Patrick Schmidt reveals the brutal reality of defending the guilty - and why cops hate lawyers.
Gary goes head-to-head with Patrick on going to the dark side, how the worst police investigation he ever saw changed how he defends clients, and the courtroom tactics that get police destroyed on the stand.
From standard operating procedures that aren't law, to where he draws the ethical line when he believes someone did it, this is cops vs lawyers at its rawest.
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Former police prosecutor turned defence solicitor Patrick Schmidt sits down with Gary to reveal what really happens when police face a good defence lawyer in court and why so many officers struggle in the witness box.
With 8 years as a police prosecutor and now defending clients full-time, Patrick has seen both sides. He breaks down how defence lawyers pick apart police evidence, why arrogance and emotion get officers into trouble, and why preparation is everything when you take the stand.
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After Bali, Glen McEwen became the AFP's Asia Commander and found himself at the centre of the Thai cave rescue .
Gary sits down with Glen to hear what it was really like inside that cave rescue, 10 days with no food or air, Australian divers in the water, the high-risk sedation plan to swim the boys out, the moment they thought they'd lost the first kid, and the Hollywood moment when the pumps failed with rescuers still inside.
Glen also opens up on his deployment to Yemen interviewing Australians jailed for alleged gun-running, leading the covert investigation into corrupt officer Mark Standen while working alongside him, and the personal toll of 35 years policing that led to medical retirement and his ongoing recovery through therapy and EMDR.

Find out more about Glen’s book Crime, Chaos and Controversy here:
https://www.bigskypublishing.com.au/crime-chaos-and-controversy
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On October 12, 2002, then Australian Federal Police Acting Superintendent Glen McEwen was just 400 metres from Paddy's Bar by chance when the Bali Bombings happened. He ran toward the blast and became the first Aussie cop on scene.
In Part 1 of this interview, Gary sits down with Glen to hear what it was like inside those first chaotic hours, helping the injured, making the first call back to Australia to report mass Australian casualties, forming 'Team Australia' at the Consulate, and returning at first light to help secure the crime scene for the investigation that followed.
Glen also shares how his posting to Indonesia led him there, from infiltrating people-smuggling networks to his earlier work on the massive 397kg Port Macquarie seizure in 1998.
Find out more about Glen’s book Crime, Chaos and Controversy here:
https://www.bigskypublishing.com.au/crime-chaos-and-controversy
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After Ashton Kline's mother Viola was murdered by his dad after decades of abuse, he faced a choice "Do I let it destroy me?"
In Part 2, Ashton sits down with Gary to share what came after, the unbreakable bond with his younger brother Grant, being taken into foster care with their belongings in a garbage bag, and going from family to family.
Ashton talks about the red flags that were missed in the build-up, learning to carry trauma rather than be defined by it, building a toolkit for recovery, and why he and Grant chose not just to survive, but to thrive.
For Ashton, it's about carrying his mum's memory forward, so her loss is not in vain, and using their story to help others understand the impact of domestic violence and homicide.
Find out more about The Alannah & Madeline Foundation Buddy Bag program here.
Find out more about What Ally Needs Now, a children's book created by Ashton and researchers at The University of Melbourne to help children navigate grief after fatal family violence here.
If you or someone you know has experienced domestic, family or sexual violence, you can call 1800RESPECT on 1800 737 732, text 0458 737 732 or visit 1800respect.org.au for online chat and video call services.
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