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    You! Me! 10 Million Spotify Streams! How Much?!?!! Why Los Campesinos! Stopped Being Quiet - Part 1

    26.05.2026 | 47 Min.
    What do bands actually make from ten million Spotify streams? About £32k...

    In Part 1 of this conversation, Gareth David from Los Campesinos! walks Helena Wadia and Sean Adams through the numbers and how he felt about Spotify's response.

    This radical financial transparency about streaming also goes into the platform's payout structure that puts artists in direct competition with each other, and explains why "just support artists on Bandcamp" misses the complexity of who actually owns the rights.

    Gareth is the lyricist and lead singer of Los Campesinos!, a band who've been walking the walk for twenty years: unconditional support for trans people, rejecting unaligned brand money, low-income tickets for fans, and now, brutal honesty about how much (or how little) the music industry actually pays.

    In part 1, Gareth explains the economics of streaming, the difference between artists and rights holders, and what happens when you release an album the same month as Taylor Swift. Next week, Part 2 goes into their sold-out 2024 North American tour accounts, where nearly £50,000 went on a tour bus alone.

    Visit https://drownedinsound.org/playlists/ to hear our podcast companion playlist and discover new music in rich Hi-Res lossless quality. To start your 30-day free trial of Qobuz head to https://qobuz.com/dis.

    Edited by: tell.studio (Phil, Louisa, Owen, Matt)

    Co-hosted by Helena Wadia, who also co-hosts the Media Storm podcast: https://mediastormpodcast.com/about-us/

    Los Campesinos
    https://loscampesinos.com/

    Further reading
    How much Los Campesinos made from Spotify
    US tour budget breakdown
    Explainer of Dublin show budget

    Sign up to the DiS newsletter: http://drownedinsound.org

    00:00:00 - Welcome, Los Campesinos, and radical transparency

    00:02:13 - Starting the band on message boards

    00:04:06 - Why Gareth decided to share specific numbers

    00:06:39 - The shock of the real streaming numbers

    00:09:21 - What's the most ethical way to support bands

    00:11:52 - Rights holders vs. artists on Bandcamp

    00:13:16 - Spotify's response to transparency criticism

    00:17:22 - Taylor Swift and the algorithm's impact

    00:18:44 - Keeping music on Spotify while critiquing the platform

    00:22:11 - Newsletter break and topic switch

    00:23:34 - Why tour transparency matters to Los Campesinos fans

    00:24:30 - Come to Brazil, come to Australia (but why they can't)

    00:27:30 - How touring with two children changes everything

    00:28:55 - Making venue logistics work with kids on tour

    00:31:44 - Qobuz sponsorship message

    00:32:59 - Keeping ticket prices low as an ideological choice

    00:35:35 - Low-income tickets and the ticket bank

    00:39:47 - Part 2 announcement and tour income preview
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    AI & Consent Special with Addison Rae, Dua Lipa and Taylor Swift featuring Dr Hayleigh Bosher

    20.05.2026 | 1 Std. 3 Min.
    Helena Wadia and Sean Adams caught up with intellectual property expert Dr Hayleigh Bosher to discuss AI, Addison Rae, ICE, Taylor Swift, deep fakes, trademarks, consent, copyright, Samsung, and Dua Lipa.

    The episode begins with our reaction to this clip of Lambrini Girls on Channel 4, in which Phoebe says "AI is going to be the thing that kills art entirely."

    Don't worry, this isn't just doom-spiralling about our descent into technofascism, this episode hopefully answers everything you wanted to know about the contractions of the tech revolution we're living through.

    In this wide ranging chat about AI, consent, copyright, and double standards, we discuss whether Addison Rae might win her case against ICE for using her music without her consent (at the time of publishing, the video is still on Insatgram here). Explore why Taylor Swift is trademarking herself and whether it will it stop deep fakes. And we explore why Dua Lipa is suing Samsung for £15m?!

    We also touch upon the UK government's AI consultation.

    Dr. Hayleigh Bosher appeared on season 1 of the Drowned in Sound podcast. She's a goto for breaking news on BBC and Sky, because she's an expert in Intellectual Property Law at Brunel University London, specialising in copyright within the creative industries, particularly music, social media, and AI. She authored the book Copyright in the Music Industry (order the second edition), hosts the podcast Whose Song is it Anyway?

    You'll find all of Hayleigh’s links here. 

    Visit https://drownedinsound.org/playlists/ to hear our weekly podcast companion playlists and discover new music in rich Hi-Res lossless quality and start your 30-day free trial of Qobuz at https://qobuz.com/dis.

    Edited by: tell.studio (Phil, Louisa, Owen, Matt)

    p.s. Helena's podcast Media Storm returns this week, make sure you're subscribed on Apple Podcasts.
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    Ticket Touts Rejoice! DiS & Which? React to The King's Speech

    14.05.2026 | 40 Min.
    "Disappointing" is the word of the week in the UK music biz, after the UK government seem to have kicked the can down the road on tackling ticket touts aka "secondary ticketing".

    Why? The King's Speech happened yesterday. The Keir Starmer's Labour government promised to end ticket touting. And yet...

    What we got was a draft bill. Buried on page 64 of a supplementary document. Not in the speech itself. Not legislation. Not a law. A draft, which means more consultations, an uncertain timeline, and the door left open for the secondary ticketing platforms to shape whatever comes next.

    DiS podcast host Sean Adams revisits the full sixteen-year history of this fight, from Sharon Hodgson's Private Member's Bill in 2010, through the Channel 4 Dispatches investigation, the Waterson Review, the founding of the FanFair Alliance, the Digital Economy Act, the CMA's rejected recommendations, Labour's manifesto promise, the Oasis dynamic pricing scandal, and the November 2025 announcement that made everyone think change was finally coming.

    Then he's rejoined by Kat Cereda, spokesperson for Which?, to dig into what a draft bill actually means, why secondary ticketing websites getting involved in shaping the legislation is exactly what campaigners feared, and what Which? does next.

    And at the end of the episode, Adam Webb from the FanFair Alliance gives his reaction - he's someone who has been in the trenches of this campaign since 2016.

    Visit https://drownedinsound.org/playlists/ to discover new music in rich Hi-Res lossless quality and start your 30-day free trial of Qobuz at https://qobuz.com/dis.

    Edited by: tell.studio (Phil, Louisa, Owen, Matt)

    Recorded at The Shure Experience Centre, London.

    Sign up to the DiS newsletter: http://drownedinsound.org

    Which?
    Stop Fleecing Fans campaign: https://www.which.co.uk/campaigns/stop-fleecing-fans

    FanFair Alliance
    https://fanfairalliance.org/

    Music Fans Voice
    https://musicfansvoice.uk/

    CMS Committee Fan-Led Review of Live and Electronic Music
    https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/378/culture-media-and-sport-committee/news/213147/

    Further reading
    Everything you need to know about gig tickets: https://www.drownedinsound.org/gig-tickets/

    Previous episodes in this series
    Kat Cereda (Which?) on the open letter to Keir Starmer: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-uk-government-promised-to-end-ticket-touting-so/id1037405920?i=1000764130066 
    Adam Webb (FanFair Alliance) on ticket resale and the FanFair campaign: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/uk-caps-ticket-resale-at-face-value-what-took-so-long/id1037405920?i=1000737461606

     

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    Two Music Fans. One Astonishing Fan-Led Review of Live & Electronic Music

    05.05.2026 | 41 Min.
    Over 4,000 music fans responded to the Culture, Media and Sport Committee’s Fan-Led Review into Live Music and Electronic Music and in this week's episode DiS founder Sean Adams and co-host Helena Wadia reacted to this important report that could revolutionise live music in the UK.

    Alongside the in-depth analysis of the state of live music and what music fans want, there's also The Fans' Charter.

    Much shorter than the 100-page report, the Fans' Charter has 50 recommendations that the government, the industry, and local authorities should implement, from ending ticket touting to improving late night transport and simple things like the live industry sharing timings so fans can plan their night out accordingly.

    We would urge you to head over here to read the fan-led review and then pop your postcode into TheyWorkForYou and WhoCanIVoteFor to gently encourage your representatives to read the report.

    The government have less than 2 months to respond and the more MPs, councillors, and mayors that read it, the better.

    Visit https://drownedinsound.org/playlists/ to hear Helena's playlist and to discover new music in rich Hi-Res lossless quality. Start your 30-day free trial of Qobuz at https://qobuz.com/dis.

    This episode was edited by: http://tell.studio 

    Co-hosted by Helena Wadia, who also co-hosts the Media Storm podcast: https://mediastormpodcast.com/about-us/

    Recorded at The Shure Experience Centre, London.

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    The UK government promised to end ticket touting. So why hasn't it?

    28.04.2026 | 33 Min.
    Before the UK's general election, Labour's 2024 manifesto promised to "put fans back at the heart of events" by ending ticket touting.

    Then, when in power, the Labour government made confirmed the plan in November 2025. And yet here we are in April 2026, with no legislation, and reports that the Ticketing Bill may not even appear in the King's Speech on 13 May. But what we do have is the fan-led review of live music, urging the government to enact this change.

    This is the first episode of a new series on power and double standards in music - who has it, how it works, and what fans can actually do both individually and collectively to change things.

    To kick things off, DiS founder Sean Adams and co-host Helena Wadia are joined by Kat Cereda, spokesperson for Which?, to dig into the consumer rights organisation's open letter calling on Keir Starmer to include a Ticketing Bill in the King's Speech and cap ticket resales at face value.

    The coalition of signatories is striking: AEG Presents, the Featured Artists Coalition, ATC Management (Nick Cave, Radiohead), Wildlife Entertainment (Arctic Monkeys, Fontaines DC), Grumpy Old Management (Ed Sheeran), the Music Venue Trust, Live Nation, Ticketmaster and more - united in calling on the government to deliver on its manifesto commitment before the window closes.

    They cover:

    Why Which?, who are perhaps best known for testing washing machines, is exactly the right organisation to lead this fight

    How secondary ticketing has grown from "the old man in a trenchcoat outside the venue" to international criminal operations with links to Dubai and Delaware

    The numbers: resellers stand to make an estimated £24 million from fans this summer alone; a Harry Styles ticket at £200 face value listed at £3,622; an Ariana Grande ticket at £135 listed at £2,835; a BTS ticket at £450 listed at £4,872 that's a whopping 312% markup; and a Raye ticket at All Points East listed on Viagogo at £140,000

    Speculative selling: listing tickets touts don't even own yet

    How fans could save £112 million a year if a price cap were introduced. This is the government's own figure!

    Why the King's Speech on 13th May is the only real accountability test, and what it means if the bill isn't in it

    The CMS Committee's independent fan-led review, published just this month, which calls on the government to act "without delay" (more on that next week)

    What 91% of over 8,000 Music Fans Voice survey respondents agree on

    Platforms like Twickets and Dice that are already doing it right

    What you can do right now to keep the pressure on

    Visit https://drownedinsound.org/playlists/ to discover new music in rich Hi-Res lossless quality and start your 30-day free trial of Qobuz at https://qobuz.com/dis.

    This episode was edited by: http://tell.studio 

    Which? Stop Fleecing Fans campaign: https://www.which.co.uk/campaigns/stop-fleecing-fans Open letter to the Prime Minister (LinkedIn): https://www.linkedin.com/posts/which_open-letter-to-the-prime-minister-activity-7453362314151469056-LwME Which? on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/p/DXgfoKVFrtA/

    Co-hosted by Helena Wadia, who also co-hosts the Media Storm podcast: https://mediastormpodcast.com/about-us/

    Further reading CMS Committee Fan-Led Review of Live and Electronic Music (April 2026): https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/378/culture-media-and-sport-committee/news/213147/calls-for-new-music-fan-association-to-boost-fan-involvement-as-review-publishes-charter-to-safeguard-live-music-sector/

    Previous episode Adam Webb (FanFair Alliance) on ticket resale and the FanFair Alliance's campaign: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/uk-caps-ticket-resale-at-face-value-what-took-so-long/id1037405920?i=1000737461606

    Recorded at The Shure Experience Centre, London.

    Sign up to our newsletter at http://drownedinsound.org
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Music is upstream from politics. Drowned in Sound investigates how the music industry shapes society and how fans, artists, and workers can organise for systemic change. Hosted by Sean Adams, we decode streaming economics, sustainable touring, climate and tech, workers’ rights, and collective solutions with musicians, researchers, and changemakers.
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