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On today’s episode of True Crime Time For, Woody celebrates one of his favorite weekends of the year: LSU football and the opening of dove season in Louisiana. But before heading to the field and getting ready to cheer on the Tigers, he begins the story of one of the most violent and relentlessly criminal figures in American history:
Carl Panzram.
And September 5 carries special significance in Panzram’s story. On September 5, 1930, Panzram was executed by hanging at the federal penitentiary in Leavenworth, Kansas.
But Woody isn’t starting at the gallows.
He’s starting at the beginning.
Carl Panzram: A Childhood Already Filled With Trouble
Carl Panzram was born June 28, 1891, near East Grand Forks, Minnesota, into a large family of East Prussian immigrants.
Panzram would later describe himself as a liar and thief from an extraordinarily young age and said that he became increasingly angry and violent as he grew older.
His father eventually abandoned the family. Panzram also suffered a serious childhood infection requiring surgery, although Woody notes that there is no way to know whether that illness or its treatment caused neurological damage.
What is clear is that Panzram began getting into serious trouble very young.
According to the historical account Woody follows, he had repeated contact with juvenile authorities, stole from people around him and eventually landed at a Minnesota reform school.
Panzram later alleged that he was brutally beaten and sexually abused while institutionalized.
He claimed that his treatment inside reform schools and prisons helped extinguish whatever humanity remained in him.
And at one reform school, Panzram later claimed responsibility for setting the institution on fire.
Running Away, Riding the Rails and Repeated Imprisonment
By his teenage years, Panzram was drinking heavily, stealing, burglarizing homes and repeatedly running away.
He traveled extensively by freight train, living the transient life common among young runaways and laborers of that era. Panzram later claimed that while riding the rails he was gang-raped by several men—another experience he would later cite when describing the development of his hatred toward humanity.
His criminal record continued growing.
Panzram was sent to reform institutions in Montana, escaped, committed additional burglaries and robberies and repeatedly moved under aliases.
And aliases became a major part of his life.
Among the names associated with him were Jeff Davis, Jefferson Baldwin, Jack Allen and John O’Leary, along with several other identities he used as he moved from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. San Diego State University’s Panzram archive independently confirms several of those aliases.
In an era without interconnected computerized criminal databases, a man could give authorities a different name in another state and make it significantly more difficult for police to reconstruct his history.
Panzram exploited that weakness repeatedly.
The Army Doesn't Straighten Him Out
In 1907, Panzram enlisted in the United States Army.
It did not last.
He repeatedly refused orders and was convicted of stealing military property. He was sentenced to hard labor at the United States Disciplinary Barracks at Fort Leavenworth, where he remained from 1908 until 1910.
The official responsible for approving his sentence was William Howard Taft, who was Secretary of War before becoming the 27th president of the United States.
That connection becomes extremely important later.
Panzram claimed the brutality he experienced at Leavenworth destroyed whatever goodness had remained inside him.
After his release and dishonorable discharge, the criminal behavior resumed almost immediately.
Prison After Prison — And Escape After Escape
Woody follows Panzram across an extraordinary list of prisons, towns and aliases.
California.
Texas.
Oregon.
Idaho.
Montana.
New York.
Connecticut.
Washington, D.C.
Kansas.
Panzram committed robberies and burglaries, served sentences and repeatedly escaped custody.
He also became physically formidable from years of hard labor.
Panzram later openly claimed that sexual violence became part of his crimes and that he assaulted men he robbed.
Again, many of the most extreme crimes attributed to Panzram are known primarily through his own later statements, rather than convictions or independently established victims. His surviving archival papers show how extensively he boasted about murder, rape and robbery after his eventual capture.
Mexico, More Escapes and a Life in Constant Motion
Panzram crossed into Mexico, attempted to join military forces there, deserted, stole weapons and continued moving.
Back in the United States, he cycled through more arrests, aliases, prisons and escapes.
At one point he used Jefferson Davis as an alias.
Later it became Jack Allen, Jeff Davis, Jeff Rhodes, Jeff Baldwin, and eventually John O’Leary.
Woody marvels at how frequently Panzram appears to have escaped custody during a period when fingerprints, centralized records and modern communication between agencies were either primitive or nonexistent.
In 1915, Panzram was incarcerated at the Oregon State Penitentiary, where he continued defying authorities and endured long periods of punishment and solitary confinement.
He escaped again.
He was recaptured.
Then he escaped again.
By 1918, using the alias John O’Leary, Panzram left the Pacific Northwest behind.
Panzram Goes International
Panzram then moved into an entirely new phase.
Using maritime work, he traveled internationally.
He made his way through Panama and South America and later traveled to Europe, including Scotland, France and Germany.
Archival materials from San Diego State University likewise document Panzram’s extensive international travel and work aboard ships during this period.
But eventually he returned to the United States.
And in 1920, his story intersected again with William Howard Taft.
Panzram Robs William Howard Taft
In September 1920, Panzram burglarized the New Haven residence of former President William Howard Taft.
According to accounts of the burglary, Panzram stole jewelry, bonds, an inscribed watch and a Colt M1911 .45-caliber handgun belonging to Taft.
For Panzram, it was reportedly personal.
Years earlier, Taft had approved his sentence to Fort Leavenworth while serving as Secretary of War.
Now Panzram had stolen from him.
And according to Panzram’s later account, the stolen money helped finance what came next.
The Yacht Akista
Panzram purchased a small yacht called the Akista.
Then he began cruising around the New York area.
And this is where his own confession becomes especially horrifying.
Panzram claimed that he lured sailors from bars onto the yacht, got them intoxicated, sexually assaulted them and then murdered them with Taft’s stolen .45.
He claimed to have killed 10 men this way and disposed of their bodies around Execution Rocks in Long Island Sound.
There is an important distinction here:
The ten yacht murders are Panzram’s claim. They are not ten individually identified and judicially proven murder victims.
That distinction matters when telling his story.
His own writings are a major reason his alleged body count became so infamous, but Panzram frequently boasted about his crimes and investigators were never able to independently verify every murder he claimed.
According to the account, the yacht killings ended when the Akista ran aground near Atlantic City, New Jersey, allowing two potential victims to escape.
Panzram survived the wreck and was eventually rescued after exposure to the elements.
And that's where Woody stops.
For now.
Because what listeners have heard through 1920 is not remotely the end of Carl Panzram’s story.
Woody will pick it back up Monday as Panzram continues through the next chapter of his criminal life—eventually reaching the crime that finally put him in a prison he could not escape.
Panzram would ultimately claim responsibility for 23 murders and enormous numbers of robberies and sexual assaults. But his documented criminal record and his own self-reported atrocities are not always the same thing, which makes separating fact, confession and boast an important part of telling his story.
And exactly 96 years before this episode’s date, on September 5, 1930, Carl Panzram finally reached the end of the road.
He was hanged at Leavenworth.
Part 2 continues Monday.
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Carl Panzram
September 5, 1930 execution
Panzram's childhood
Minnesota reform school
Alleged institutional abuse
Early burglaries and robberies
Freight-train life
Repeated prison escapes
Carl Panzram aliases
U.S. Army service
Fort Leavenworth
William Howard Taft
Oregon State Penitentiary
International travel
John O’Leary alias
Taft residence burglary
Stolen Colt M1911
Akista yacht
Execution Rocks
Panzram's claimed yacht murders
Proven crimes versus Panzram's confessions
Part 1 of Carl Panzram story
September 5 is actually the anniversary of Carl Panzram’s execution. He was hanged at Leavenworth on September 5, 1930.
Panzram’s story has to be told with a distinction between documented crimes and his own claims. He boasted of 23 murders and enormous numbers of robberies and sexual assaults, but not all of those crimes were independently verified.
His numerous aliases and repeated escapes show how dramatically different interstate criminal investigation was before modern fingerprint databases, computerized records and instantaneous communication between jurisdictions.
William Howard Taft really does intersect with the story twice: first through Panzram’s Leavenworth sentence and later when Panzram burglarized Taft’s home and stole a Colt .45 associated with the former president.
Panzram later claimed he used that stolen pistol to murder 10 sailors aboard or associated with his yacht, the Akista, but that number should be presented as Panzram’s confession, not ten independently proven homicides.
Woody intentionally stops the story around 1920. The transcript ends with him promising to continue Carl Panzram’s story on Monday, so Episode 269 should be treated as Part 1, not a complete biography.
Woody also leaves the door open for a breaking update on Justice for Hailey or What Happened to Madison if developments happen before the prerecorded episode airs. 

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On today’s episode of True Crime Time For, Cyndi takes over the microphone and begins with a message for the families who continue sending Real Life Real Crime information about unsolved cases.
There are more families asking for help than there are hours in the day. Cyndi explains that Woody is the investigator while she serves as the keeper and organizer of much of the information coming in. Every family deserves to have its case examined carefully, but meaningful investigative work cannot be rushed. She asks for patience, grace and understanding while Woody works through cases one at a time.
Then Cyndi gets into On This Day in Crime—and immediately discovers that something isn't right.
The September 4 entry says Wayne Nathan Nance, better known as the “Missoula Mauler,” died after attacking his boss and his boss’s wife, listed as Doug and Teresa Wells. But a few sentences later, it says Nance was attempting to sexually assault a woman named Chris.
Cyndi stops.
Who is Kris?
That question uncovers a much larger story.
The original account had accidentally combined two different couples. The couple who survived Wayne Nance’s final attack were Doug and Kris Wells. Teresa Shook was an entirely different woman who, along with her husband Michael “Mike” Shook, had been murdered months earlier.
And once Cyndi starts separating those two cases, the similarities become chilling.
Doug and Kris Wells Fight Back
The story begins on the night of September 3, 1986, in Missoula, Montana.
Doug and Kris Wells returned home and encountered 30-year-old Wayne Nance outside their property.
Nance wasn't a stranger. Kris knew him through work. She was a manager at a furniture store where Nance worked as a delivery driver.
Nance claimed he had noticed someone suspicious around the Wells home. He presented himself not as the threat—but as the person trying to warn them about one.
Then he attacked.
Nance struck Doug in the head. When Kris came to investigate, Nance produced a gun and forced her to tie up her husband. He restrained Kris as well and took her upstairs, where he tied her to the bed.
Nance then brought Doug into the basement, tied him to a support post, beat him and stabbed him in the chest with a large kitchen knife.
He apparently believed Doug was dying.
He was wrong.
Despite being beaten, bound and stabbed, Doug managed to free himself.
In the basement was a rifle Doug had been working on—and he had one round.
Instead of quietly escaping, Doug deliberately made enough noise to bring Nance back downstairs.
Nance came.
Doug fired.
Even after being shot, Nance continued fighting. During the struggle, Nance shot Doug in the leg. Kris fought back as well, and eventually Nance was overwhelmed.
Doug and Kris Wells survived.
Wayne Nance did not.
He was transported to the hospital and died from his injuries on September 4, 1986.
That could have been the end of the story.
Instead, it became the beginning of an investigation into whether the man Doug Wells had just killed was a serial murderer.
Donna Pounds — 1974
Investigators began looking backward.
One of the earliest cases associated with Nance was the April 1974 murder of Donna Pounds.
Pounds was attacked inside her Missoula home. She was restrained, sexually assaulted and shot, and an attempt was made to set the home on fire.
Nance knew the family and was investigated at the time. Authorities reportedly presented the case to a grand jury, but there was insufficient evidence to indict him.
Nance was only 18.
Cyndi points out several details worth remembering: a home invasion, restraint, sexual violence, murder and an attempt to use fire afterward.
Those behaviors would become important years later.
Devonna Louise Nelson — “Betty Beavertail”
In 1980, the remains of a teenage girl were discovered east of Missoula.
Investigators didn't know who she was.
For years, she was known by a name that wasn't hers: “Betty Beavertail.”
She was eventually identified as 15-year-old Devonna Louise Nelson.
Nance became a possible suspect in her death, but this is one place where Cyndi makes an important distinction: investigators have not definitively established that Wayne Nance murdered Devonna.
Her murder remains unsolved.
Marcella Cheri “Marci” Bachmann — “Debbie Deer Creek”
The connection becomes considerably stronger with Marcella Cheri “Marci” Bachmann, a 16-year-old runaway from Oregon.
Marci reportedly used the name Robin while away from home and crossed paths with Wayne Nance.
In December 1984, her remains were discovered in a shallow grave near Missoula. Investigators couldn't identify her, so she became another Jane Doe with a geographic nickname:
“Debbie Deer Creek.”
After Nance's death, investigators found evidence showing that Marci had actually known him—including photographs of the two together. Evidence recovered from Nance further strengthened the connection between them.
Marci was finally identified in 2006.
Janet Lee Lucas — “Christy Crystal Creek”
Then there was another unidentified woman.
In September 1985, skeletal remains were discovered near Crystal Creek outside Missoula. The woman had been shot twice in the head.
Again, investigators didn't know her name.
She became “Christy Crystal Creek.”
More than 35 years later, investigative genetic genealogy finally restored her identity:
Janet Lee Lucas, 23.
Janet had a five-year-old son when she disappeared. Her family spent decades without knowing what had happened to her.
Nance has been investigated as a possible suspect, particularly because Janet's remains were discovered in the same general area as Marci Bachmann's.
But again, Cyndi is careful not to turn suspicion into fact.
Authorities have not established that Nance murdered Janet Lucas. Her case remains a cold-case homicide investigation.
Michael and Teresa Shook
Then comes the case that explains why Teresa accidentally ended up attached to the Wells name in the original calendar entry.
Teresa was Teresa Shook.
She and her husband, Michael “Mike” Shook, were murdered in their home outside Missoula in December 1985.
The couple were restrained. Teresa was sexually assaulted. Both were killed, and the house was set on fire while their children were still inside.
The children survived.
And suddenly the similarities to Donna Pounds were impossible to ignore.
Donna had been attacked inside her home.
She had been restrained.
She had been sexually assaulted.
She had been shot.
Someone had attempted to use fire afterward.
Then Mike and Teresa Shook were attacked in their home, restrained and murdered before their killer set the house on fire.
Nine months later, Nance entered Doug and Kris Wells' home, restrained the couple, separated them and tried to kill Doug.
But this time, the husband survived.
And after Nance died, investigators discovered something far more concrete:
Property belonging to the murdered Shooks was found among Nance's possessions.
That evidence transformed the investigation.
This wasn't simply a crime that resembled something Wayne Nance might have done. Property belonging to murder victims had ended up in his possession.
Reconstructing the Life of a Dead Suspected Serial Killer
Investigators were now faced with an unusual problem.
Their suspect was dead.
They couldn't interrogate Nance.
They couldn't confront him with evidence.
They couldn't ask where he had been when these women disappeared.
And they could never put him before a jury and have his guilt or innocence determined in court.
Instead, detectives had to reconstruct his life backward.
What emerged was a disturbing collection of cases with very different levels of evidence.
Some had strong physical or circumstantial connections to Nance.
Others remained cases in which he was merely a suspect.
And that distinction matters.
Once someone earns the label “serial killer,” it can become tempting to attach every unsolved murder in the same area to that person. Cyndi deliberately avoids doing that.
What can be said with certainty is that on September 3, 1986, Wayne Nance entered the home of Doug and Kris Wells and attempted to kill them.
Doug Wells fought back.
And on September 4, 1986, Wayne Nathan Nance died.
Nance was never tried or convicted of the murders later associated with him. Yet evidence discovered after his death led investigators to believe the attack on the Wells family was not an isolated act and to examine him in connection with multiple killings around Missoula.
For the families of Donna Pounds, Devonna Nelson, Marci Bachmann, Janet Lucas, Michael Shook and Teresa Shook, many questions outlived Wayne Nance.
And the entire story started because Cyndi noticed one little inconsistency:
Who the hell is Chris?

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The original September 4 calendar entry combined two different couples. Nance's surviving victims were Doug and Kris Wells; Teresa was Teresa Shook, who was murdered with her husband Michael months earlier.
Doug Wells' actions stopped the attack. After being beaten, bound and stabbed, he freed himself, reached a rifle with one available round and confronted Nance. Doug and Kris survived; Nance died the following day.
Not every murder associated with Wayne Nance should be described as a confirmed Nance murder. Devonna Nelson and Janet Lucas are among the cases in which authorities investigated him as a possible suspect without definitively establishing that he killed them.
The Shook case provided a much stronger connection. Property belonging to Michael and Teresa Shook was discovered among Nance's possessions after his death.
Modern DNA and genetic genealogy gave identities back to women who spent years known only as Betty Beavertail, Debbie Deer Creek and Christy Crystal Creek.
And this episode demonstrates exactly why stopping when something doesn't make sense matters: one wrong first name was the clue that two completely different crimes had been blended together.

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On today’s episode of True Crime Time For, Woody opens by thanking the Lifers for listening and sharing and reminds everyone that tips can still be called into 313-RLRC-TIP on any case he has worked. He explains that when a specific tip comes in on an active investigation he cannot personally act on, he forwards it to the people currently working the case—and every credible lead has to be run down. Meanwhile, families and investigators continue waiting for answers and justice.
Larry Ralston and the Disappearance of Linda Kay Harmon
For On This Day in Crime, Woody goes back to September 3, 1975, when 17-year-old Linda Kay Harmon disappeared in Ohio while on her way to school.
Harmon failed to meet a friend and later missed a dental appointment, alarming her parents. About a month later, her skeletal remains were discovered scattered across an area along Braun Road. Her murder would eventually become part of a series connected to Larry Ralston, an Ohio serial killer and rapist.
Ralston’s known victims included Harmon as well as Nancy Grigsby, Mary Ruth Hopkins, Elaina Bear, and Diane Sue McCrobie. Historical court records confirm Ralston confessed to the strangulation murder of 15-year-old Elaina Bear, whose body was discovered in a creek bed after she disappeared in January 1977.
Woody walks through the disappearances and murders of the young women, including 22-year-old Nancy Grigsby, 15-year-old Elaina Bear and 16-year-old Diane Sue McCrobie.
The break in the investigation came after three teenage girls reported that a man had abducted and raped them in September 1977. Ralston was arrested later that year, and investigators began connecting him to the murders.
He was convicted of Elaina Bear’s murder in 1978 and initially sentenced to death. That sentence was later converted to life imprisonment following changes to Ohio’s death-penalty law. Additional murder convictions and rape sentences followed. He later pleaded guilty to the 1976 murder of Mary Ruth Hopkins.
Woody is particularly frustrated by the fact that Ralston eventually became eligible for parole despite multiple murder convictions. His bids for release have repeatedly been opposed by victims’ families and denied.
The larger question hanging over the story is whether Ralston may have been responsible for additional unsolved murders in the Cincinnati area during that period. Woody believes investigators knew of far fewer victims than Ralston actually had—but that remains speculation, not an established victim count.
F’d Up Professionals: A Nearly $24 Million Postal Check-Theft Scheme
Next, Woody heads to Houston for an F’d Up Professionals story involving people entrusted with something millions of Americans use every day: the U.S. mail.
Federal prosecutors have charged five Houston-area defendants in a conspiracy involving approximately $24 million in stolen checks.
The indictment names Tryston Tremaine Vaughn, Catherine Clauzelle Kilpatrick, Drakkor Jamar Alexander, Malcolm Tiree Joubert, and Alyssa Nadine Bryant. Kilpatrick, Alexander and Joubert worked as U.S. Postal Service mail carriers.
Prosecutors allege Vaughn recruited postal workers to remove checks from mail along their routes. Those stolen checks were then allegedly offered to buyers through Telegram and shipped to purchasers.
According to the Justice Department, the scheme involved approximately $24 million worth of checks. Individual stolen checks allegedly included amounts in the tens of thousands of dollars, while one was valued at approximately $1.5 million.
Woody talks about the unusual authority of U.S. Postal Inspectors and the federal nature of crimes involving the mail before marveling at the size of the alleged scheme.
He also makes the obvious point: a million-dollar check is one piece of mail you probably want to keep very close tabs on.
All five defendants are accused at this stage, and the charges have not been proven in court.
Two Women Suffer Broken Jaws During Argument Over a Dog
Then Woody stays in Ohio for an assault case involving Antoine James, 38.
According to court records, an argument began over James’ dog allegedly being sold without his permission. Prosecutors say James punched one woman repeatedly and then attacked a second woman when she attempted to intervene.
Both women reportedly suffered fractured jaws.
James faces charges including felonious assault, assault and aggravated menacing.
Woody uses the case to talk about something his own father taught him from childhood: anger does not justify putting your hands on a woman.
Worldwide Crime: Deadly Sword Attack at a Swedish School
For Worldwide Crime, Woody heads to Fagersta, Sweden, where a sword attack at Brinell School left a 17-year-old girl dead and three boys injured.
The alleged attacker has since been publicly identified as 18-year-old Liam Nebel. Current Swedish reporting says Nebel was a student at the school. He is accused of attacking students with a sword before police confronted and arrested him.
Two teenage boys suffered serious injuries, while another injured student was treated and released. Police were also investigating online material potentially connected to the attack.
Swedish Prime Minister Ulf Kristersson visited Fagersta following the attack and joined the country in mourning the victim and supporting the injured students, their families, and school staff.
Woody’s point is that horrific mass violence does not require a firearm. In this case, the accused attacker allegedly walked into a school armed with a sword.
F’d Up Professionals: Aiken High School Assistant Principal Arrested
Back in Cincinnati, Steven Barton, a 43-year-old assistant principal at Aiken New Tech High School, has been charged with felony sexual battery involving a 16-year-old student.
The criminal complaint alleges Barton sexually touched the student in a confined area of the school. Investigators say surveillance video and statements made during the investigation corroborated portions of the student’s account.
Police are also investigating whether there could be additional victims. Barton pleaded not guilty and received a $75,000 bond. Cincinnati Public Schools removed him from duty while the criminal and district investigations continue.
Woody focuses on the position of trust involved. Teachers, administrators, coaches, clergy, doctors, police officers and others who have authority over children have a heightened responsibility to protect them—not exploit that access.
Louisiana Sued Again Over Keeping People Locked Up Past Release Dates
The final story hits much closer to home.
A new federal lawsuit accuses the Louisiana Department of Public Safety and Corrections of continuing to hold people in custody after their lawful release dates.
The lawsuit, filed by attorneys with the Promise of Justice Initiative, names Louisiana corrections secretary Gary Westcott among the defendants and alleges that more than 1,200 people were unlawfully overdetained during the period covered by the complaint.
This is not a brand-new concern. Previous federal findings and litigation have documented Louisiana’s long-running problems calculating and implementing release dates.
And on this issue, Woody is unequivocal.
A person may have committed a crime. They may have deserved the sentence they received. But once that lawful sentence is finished, the government does not get to invent additional days in prison.
If a judge says a person’s sentence ends on a certain date, Woody says the state’s job should be to have that person ready to walk out on that date—not days, weeks or months later because of paperwork or administrative failures.
He closes by acknowledging that America’s justice system is imperfect while maintaining that accountability must apply in every direction—including to the government itself.
Woody signs off as host of True Crime Time For Thursday, September 3, 2026.
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Larry Ralston was convicted in a series of murders and sexual assaults involving young women in Ohio, and families have continued fighting against his release decades later.
The Houston mail case is even larger than the transcript’s shorthand suggests: the Justice Department says the indictment involves approximately $24 million in stolen checks, with three USPS carriers among the five defendants.
The accused Swedish school attacker now has a publicly reported name: Liam Nebel. A 17-year-old girl was killed and three boys were wounded in the August 21 sword attack at Brinell School.
Steven Barton is the correct name of the Aiken assistant principal charged with sexual battery involving a student; “Kyle Stephen Barton” in the transcript was a transcription error.
Woody’s position on Louisiana’s overdetention problem cuts across the usual tough-on-crime debate: serve the sentence the court imposed—no less, but also no more.
The episode begins and ends with the same principle that applies to RLRC’s own ongoing cases: credible information has to be investigated carefully, even when waiting for the result is frustrating. 

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On today’s episode of True Crime Time For, Woody takes listeners through the disturbing story of Carl Eric “Charlie” Brandt, a killer whose known crimes began when he was only 13 years old—and whose true number of victims may never be known.
Woody opens by briefly mentioning the ongoing Lindsay Clancy trial before turning to Brandt, who was born in 1957. In January 1971, 13-year-old Brandt entered a bathroom in his family’s Fort Wayne, Indiana, home and shot his parents with his father’s handgun. His pregnant mother was killed, his father survived, and Brandt then attempted to shoot his older sister before the weapon malfunctioned.
Brandt underwent psychiatric evaluations and spent approximately a year in a psychiatric hospital. He was eventually released back to his family and was never criminally prosecuted for killing his mother. Even more remarkably, Woody explains that Brandt’s younger sisters grew up believing their mother had died in a car accident.
As an adult, Brandt eventually married Teri Helfrich Brandt and settled in Florida. But after his death, investigators would uncover an obsession with human anatomy, surgical imagery, violent material, and female mutilation—evidence that caused detectives to wonder how many women Brandt may actually have killed.
One murder became especially important: Sherry Perisho.
In July 1989, the 38-year-old woman was found near Big Pine Key, Florida. Her throat had been severely cut, her body mutilated, and her heart removed. Her remains were discovered less than 1,000 feet from Brandt’s home. According to the case history Woody discusses, Teri later recalled Brandt returning home around the time of Perisho’s murder with blood on his clothing, which he reportedly attributed to cleaning fish. Investigators eventually concluded that Brandt was responsible for Perisho’s murder.
Then came September 2004.
Brandt and Teri evacuated their Florida Keys home ahead of Hurricane Ivan and stayed with their niece, Michelle Lynn Jones, near Orlando. Days later, a friend checking on Jones discovered Brandt dead by suicide in the garage.
Inside the house, investigators found Teri and Michelle murdered. Teri had been stabbed repeatedly. Michelle had been decapitated and disemboweled, with her heart and other organs removed.
The nature of Michelle’s mutilation immediately raised a frightening question for investigators:
Was this really the first time Charlie Brandt had done something like this?
A search of Brandt’s home revealed extensive material involving anatomy, surgery, autopsies, and violent sexual imagery. Detectives began examining cold cases in areas where Brandt had lived or traveled.
Among the cases Woody discusses are Carol Sullivan, a 12-year-old who disappeared from a Florida school-bus stop in 1978 and whose skull was later recovered; Lisa Saunders, 20, who was murdered on Big Pine Key in 1988; and Darlene Toler, 38, whose mutilated body was found near Miami in 1995.
Investigators considered Brandt in connection with these and other murders, but lacked enough evidence to conclusively attribute them to him.
Brandt is tied to four known killings, but investigators have long suspected there could be considerably more.
Woody then expands the discussion to some of history’s most prolific serial killers.
Luis Garavito — “The Beast”
First is Colombian serial killer Luis Alfredo Garavito Cubillos, better known as Luis Garavito or La Bestia—“The Beast.”
Garavito preyed primarily upon vulnerable boys and young men in Colombia and neighboring countries during the 1990s. He was linked to at least 193 murders, although the true number may have been higher.
Woody discusses the staggering scale of Garavito’s crimes and his disbelief over how a killer responsible for so many children’s deaths could ever have faced the possibility of release.
Garavito died in prison in October 2023.
Mariam Soulakiotis — “Mother Rasputin”
Then Woody heads to Greece for the bizarre story of Mariam Soulakiotis, an abbess sometimes called “Mother Rasputin.”
Soulakiotis operated an abbey where wealthy women and others seeking religious or medical help allegedly surrendered money and property. She was ultimately convicted of murders and numerous other offenses, while authorities attributed many additional deaths to neglect and deprivation at the monastery.
The commonly cited figure of 177 victims includes deaths classified as negligent homicides rather than 177 individually proven intentional murders—an important distinction from the way the number comes across in the transcript. Soulakiotis died in prison in 1954.
Woody uses Brandt, Garavito, and Soulakiotis to discuss a central problem in serial-murder investigations: the number of victims investigators can prove is not necessarily the number of people a killer actually murdered.
But the episode ends on a far more hopeful note.
Modern DNA Is Reopening the Past
Woody celebrates the extraordinary advances in forensic DNA testing and investigative genetic genealogy, which are allowing law enforcement agencies to identify victims and suspects in cases that once appeared impossible to solve.
And one of his examples is breaking news.
The final unidentified victim of Keith Hunter Jesperson, the “Happy Face Killer,” has finally gotten her name back.
She is Lydia Jane Wade McWhorter, a 26-year-old Texas woman whose body was found along Highway 95 near Blythe, California, on August 30, 1992. For decades, investigators knew her only as “Claudia,” the name Jesperson used when discussing her murder.
The Riverside County District Attorney announced on August 27, 2026, that DNA testing had finally confirmed McWhorter’s identity after investigators located a maternal relative. Her sisters had spent decades not knowing what happened after she disappeared from Texas.
Jesperson had already confessed to killing her and pleaded guilty to her murder in 2010. What DNA finally accomplished was something equally important:
It gave Lydia her name back.
Woody also revisits the 45-year-old murder of Yolanda Herrera, whose case was recently solved through advanced DNA analysis and genetic genealogy. Authorities arrested Kelly Lee Brower Sr., 68, in Arizona after DNA linked him to evidence preserved from Herrera’s 1981 autopsy. Authorities say Brower subsequently confessed.
Woody gives additional examples of modern forensic science identifying victims and suspects decades after crimes occurred, emphasizing how much investigative technology has changed since the beginning of his own law-enforcement career.
He closes with one of RLRC’s enduring messages: Never give up. Never surrender.
For families who have waited years—or decades—for answers, advances in DNA mean a cold case does not necessarily have to remain cold forever. And Woody hints again that movement is coming in cases RLRC itself has been working.
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Luis Garavito / La Bestia
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Charlie Brandt almost certainly left investigators with unanswered questions. His known history began with the killing of his mother at 13, while the extreme mutilation in his later crimes led investigators to examine numerous unsolved murders.
A serial killer’s confirmed victim count and actual victim count can be very different. That distinction is central to Woody’s discussion of Brandt and other prolific killers.
Lydia Jane Wade McWhorter finally has her name back after 34 years. DNA confirmed the identity of the woman investigators had known only as “Claudia,” closing the final unidentified-victim case associated with Keith Hunter Jesperson’s convictions.
Yolanda Herrera’s case reinforces the same lesson: evidence preserved in 1981 became powerful enough to identify a murder suspect decades later because forensic science finally caught up with the evidence.
Woody ends on the hopeful side of true crime: technology keeps improving, evidence remains evidence, and families who have waited decades can still get answers.

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On today’s episode of True Crime Time For, Woody welcomes September and looks ahead to Labor Day weekend while hoping the holiday does not bring the violent crime and mass shootings that so often dominate the news. He reminds listeners that those stories will be covered as they develop before getting into the day’s true crime.
Khalil Wheeler-Weaver and the Murder of Robin West
For On This Day in Crime, Woody looks back to September 1, 2016, and the murder of 19-year-old Robin West, the first known victim of New Jersey serial killer Khalil Wheeler-Weaver.
West was seen getting into Wheeler-Weaver’s vehicle on the night of August 31. Prosecutors said Wheeler-Weaver strangled her, left her body inside an abandoned home in Orange, New Jersey, and set the building on fire. Her remains were so badly burned that identification took approximately two weeks.
Wheeler-Weaver went on to murder Joanne Brown and Sarah Butler and was convicted of kidnapping, sexual assault, and attempted murder in his attack on Tiffany Taylor, who survived. A jury convicted him in 2019, and in 2021 he was sentenced to 160 years in prison, with 145 years required before parole eligibility.
Woody plays audio from Wheeler-Weaver’s sentencing, where victims’ families pleaded with the judge to show the killer no mercy. Despite his convictions, Wheeler-Weaver continued to maintain his innocence.
Woody focuses on what that denial means to the families—and to Taylor, who survived his attack and testified against him.
Nearly 25 Years Later: Where Is Justice for 9/11?
As the anniversary of the September 11 attacks approaches, Woody turns to something he says remains personally difficult for him to discuss: 9/11.
The focus is Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the accused mastermind of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, and the extraordinary length of the military-commission proceedings at Guantánamo Bay.
Woody discusses why the case has dragged on for decades, the complications created by the military-commission system, disputes surrounding statements made during interrogations, previous attempts to reach plea agreements, and the enormous emotional toll the process continues to have on victims’ families.
His central question is simple: How can a case involving one of the deadliest terrorist attacks in American history remain unresolved nearly a quarter-century later?
Family Matters: Meeting His Biological Father Ends in Death
In Family Matters, Woody travels across the pond for the unusual case of Martin Greensmith, who is on trial for manslaughter after an encounter with Stephen Shevels, the man Greensmith had only recently learned was his biological father.
According to the account presented at trial, Greensmith was at a pub with family when his mother identified Shevels as his father. Greensmith said Shevels had never been part of his life and that he had no desire to establish a relationship with him.
The two later encountered one another in the pub’s beer garden. Greensmith testified that he felt intimidated when Shevels approached him and claimed he pushed him only to create distance. Shevels fell, struck his head, and later died from the injury.
Greensmith denies manslaughter and told jurors that he never intended to fight or kill his biological father. The trial was ongoing at the time covered in the episode.
Who Wanted Chicago Mail Carrier Octavia Redmond Dead?
Then Woody covers the disturbing murder of Octavia Redmond, a 48-year-old U.S. Postal Service letter carrier, wife, and mother who was gunned down while working her route on Chicago’s South Side in July 2024.
Redmond was shot multiple times at close range and later died at a hospital.
The investigation eventually expanded beyond the teenage shooter. Prosecutors allege the killing was planned in advance and that Redmond’s mail route had been watched before her murder. Woody discusses the allegations that the teenage gunman was threatened into carrying out the shooting and the still-lingering question at the center of the case:
Why was a mail carrier targeted for murder?
Livingston Parish: A Newborn Killed Minutes After Birth
Woody ends the episode close to home in Livingston Parish, Louisiana, with an extraordinarily difficult case involving a teenage mother and her newborn baby.
According to prosecutors, the girl was only 14 when she gave birth to a full-term, living infant inside her bedroom in 2025. Authorities alleged that she then used a sharp object to inflict fatal injuries to the newborn’s neck and concealed the baby’s body inside a tote in the bedroom.
The state attempted to have the juvenile prosecuted as an adult for first-degree murder, but the transfer was denied because of her age. The teenager was ultimately adjudicated in juvenile court and committed to the custody of Louisiana’s Office of Juvenile Justice until her 21st birthday.
Woody wrestles with whether that outcome constitutes justice for the newborn while also acknowledging that there may be circumstances involving the young mother’s age, development, or mental condition that are not apparent from the basic facts reported publicly.
He also focuses on another group profoundly affected by cases like this: the deputies, detectives, medical personnel, and forensic professionals who must recover and examine the body of a murdered newborn.
Woody closes by telling the Lifers that significant developments are coming in the cases RLRC has been working—particularly What Happened to Madison—and asks listeners for patience: “Just wait.”

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What Happened to Madison
Khalil Wheeler-Weaver targeted women he believed were vulnerable, but the evidence—and the determination of victims and their loved ones—ultimately helped put him away for what effectively amounts to life.
Robin West was a person, not simply the first name on a serial killer’s victim list. Her murder began a series of killings that eventually resulted in Wheeler-Weaver’s 160-year sentence.
The 9/11 military-commission proceedings demonstrate how procedural and constitutional issues can make even an enormously consequential criminal case extraordinarily complicated and prolonged.
Octavia Redmond’s murder raises an unanswered question: why was a postal worker allegedly surveilled and targeted in a planned killing?
The Livingston Parish case presents an exceptionally difficult collision between the killing of a newborn and a defendant who was herself only 14 years old when the crime occurred.
Woody ends September’s first episode with a message for everyone following RLRC’s ongoing investigations: developments are coming, and he will share them when he can.

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