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  • Ep. 28: Property: Crime’s Favourite Laundromat
    When billions in dirty money move through hidden pipelines, who stops it? In this episode, Aidan Larkin speaks with investigative journalist and co-founder of the Organized Crime and Corruption Reporting Project (OCCRP), Paul Radu, about the uphill battle to reclaim stolen assets. Paul reveals how real estate has become a global laundromat for illicit cash and why political will and public accountability are often missing from the fight. They delve into the collision of cash and crypto in laundering schemes, the role of technology in exposing networks, and why professional enablers must be held accountable for facilitating financial crime. Timestamps00:00 – Introduction and Background 03:00 – Scale of Illicit Finance and Asset Recovery 08:50 – Real Estate, Political Will, and Law Enforcement Challenges 17:45 – Public Accountability, Global Coordination, and Citizen Involvement 23:50 – Technology, Crypto, and the Future of Money Laundering 29:55 – Transparency, Professional Enablers, and Concluding Thoughts About our GuestPaul Radu is an investigative journalist and co-founder of the Organized Crime and Corruption Reporting Project (OCCRP). Over the past 20 years, he has investigated corruption, organized crime, and illicit financial networks across Europe and beyond. Through his reporting, he exposes systemic corruption and criminal enterprises, providing critical insight into asset recovery, financial crime, and the global fight for accountability. Key TakeawaysThe Scale of Illicit Finance: Illicit finance totals around $3 trillion annually, with a significant portion invested in real estate, which criminals use to store assets and worsen housing crises. The Role of Investigative Journalism: Investigative journalists often uncover corruption and criminal networks, providing evidence that prompts law enforcement action. Political Will and Public Accountability: Strong political support is essential for launching large-scale investigations, and public scrutiny can drive local authorities to act against illicit finance. Global Coordination and Transparency: Effective asset recovery requires international collaboration and data transparency, enabling citizens and authorities to track and challenge illicit asset ownership. Professional Enablers and Criminal Innovation: Lawyers, bankers, and other enablers must be held accountable, and traditional money laundering methods remain important despite the rise of crypto. Resources Organized Crime and Corruption Reporting Project (OCCRP) OCCRP Report: Dubai Unlocked The Independent: Protesting dirty-money luxury homes in London Stay Connected Dive deeper into the world of asset recovery by subscribing to Seize & Desist Disclaimer Our podcasts are for informational purposes only. They are not intended to provide legal, tax, financial, and/or investment advice. Listeners must consult their own advisors before making decisions on the topics discussed. Asset Reality has no responsibility or liability for any decision made or any other acts or omissions in connection with your use of this material. The views expressed by guests are their own and their appearance on the program does not imply an endorsement of them or any entity they represent. Views and opinions expressed by Asset Reality employees are those of the employees and do not necessarily reflect the views of the company. Asset Reality does not guarantee or warrant the accuracy, completeness, timeliness, suitability or validity of the information in any particular podcast and will not be responsible for any claim attributable to errors, omissions, or other inaccuracies of any part of such material. Unless stated otherwise, reference to any specific product or entity does not constitute an endorsement or recommendation by Asset Reality.
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  • Ep. 27: Tracking the Changing Face of Fraud
    In this conversation, Aidan Larkin sits down with Rich Lebel, Director of the Transaction Record Analysis Center (TRAC), to unpack the strategies law enforcement uses to stay ahead of digital money laundering and crypto-enabled fraud. They examine sophisticated laundering schemes, the rise of crypto ATM fraud, and the challenges of cross-border investigations, highlighting why collaboration, training, and accountability are essential for effective asset recovery. Timestamps00:00 – Introduction and Background 03:00 – The Birth, Mission, and Growth of TRAC 08:57 – Data Collection and Its Implications 11:57 – The Rise of Crypto ATMs and Fraud 17:57 – Law Enforcement Challenges and Future Directions 33:05 – Regulating Bitcoin ATMs and Crypto Transactions 41:46 – International Cooperation and Training for Law Enforcement About our Guest Rich Lebel leads the Transaction Record Analysis Center (TRAC), using global money transfer data to support law enforcement in tackling money laundering, crypto-related fraud, and other financial crimes. With over 20 years in complex criminal investigations, he provides training, analytical insight, and champions international cooperation in asset recovery. Key Takeaways Origins of TRAC: TRAC was established following a settlement with Western Union, creating a centralised resource for law enforcement to access transactional data. Role of Data Analysis: Analysing transactional data helps law enforcement identify crime patterns, trace funds, and anticipate emerging threats. Evolving Money Laundering Tactics: The rise of crypto ATMs and digital assets has changed how criminals move and layer illicit funds, requiring new investigative approaches. Challenges with Crypto ATMs: Crypto ATMs are frequently used for fraudulent activities, yet regulatory oversight in the US remains limited. Importance of Data Sharing: Collaboration and data sharing between agencies are critical for effective investigations and adapting to rapidly changing criminal tactics. Training and Awareness for Law Enforcement: Continuous training and awareness are essential for law enforcement to tackle new technologies and sophisticated money laundering methods. Adapting to Criminal Innovation: Criminals are evolving quickly to evade detection, making proactive strategies and technology adoption vital for asset recovery efforts. Resources Mentioned Webinar: The Hard Truth About Asset Seizure Crypto Training on Asset Reality’s Academy TRAC on the Wall Street Journal Tornado Cash Case Miles Johnson on Seize & Desist Stay Connected Dive deeper into the world of asset recovery by subscribing to Seize & Desist. Disclaimer Our podcasts are for informational purposes only. They are not intended to provide legal, tax, financial, and/or investment advice. Listeners must consult their own advisors before making decisions on the topics discussed. Asset Reality has no responsibility or liability for any decision made or any other acts or omissions in connection with your use of this material. The views expressed by guests are their own and their appearance on the program does not imply an endorsement of them or any entity they represent. Views and opinions expressed by Asset Reality employees are those of the employees and do not necessarily reflect the views of the company. Asset Reality does not guarantee or warrant the accuracy, completeness, timeliness, suitability or validity of the information in any particular podcast and will not be responsible for any claim attributable to errors, omissions, or other inaccuracies of any part of such material. Unless stated otherwise, reference to any specific product or entity does not constitute an endorsement or recommendation by Asset Reality.
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  • Ep. 26: From Seizure to Sale: Turning Seized Crypto into Usable Funds
    In this episode of Seize and Desist, Aidan is joined by Nils von Schoenaich-Carolath (Chief Growth Officer at Tradias) to explore the challenges governments face when liquidating seized digital assets. They unpack the operational and regulatory hurdles involved, from compliance and whitelisting to best practices in asset management, and examine how collaboration with crypto-native institutions can support secure and effective liquidation. Timestamps 00:00 – Introduction and Background 09:50 – The Liquidation Process for Seized Crypto 15:30 – Challenges and Best Practices in Asset Liquidation 26:00 – Understanding Market Dynamics: Bids, Asks & OTC Trades 32:40 – Operational Security & Preventing Transaction Errors 39:30 – The Future of Asset Management and Regulation About our GuestNils von Schoenaich-Carolath is Chief Growth Officer at Tradias, the digital asset trading arm of Bankhaus Scheich. With a background in capital markets and digital finance, Nils plays a key role in developing infrastructure for institutional crypto trading and tokenization. He has led initiatives to support secure and compliant liquidation of seized digital assets, working closely with public authorities and legal experts. His work bridges traditional finance and blockchain innovation, helping shape the future of regulated digital asset markets. Key TakeawaysLiquidating Seized Crypto: Managing seized digital assets is complex and requires precision to safeguard value, ensure compliance, and protect public funds. Regulatory Clarity and Compliance: Clear frameworks and adherence to financial and legal standards are essential for transparent, traceable, and accountable asset management. Operational Security: Robust controls, including whitelisting, test transfers, and dual oversight, are vital to prevent errors and minimise risk in asset handling. Managing Market Impact: Large-scale liquidations can disrupt markets, so structured trades and careful planning are critical to maintain stability and confidence. Collaboration and the Future of Asset Management: Effective recovery relies on coordination between public and private sectors, continuous learning, and exploring strategies like yield generation and smarter reinvestment.Resources MentionedTradias CNBC: Germany's $2 Billion Bitcoin Sale FATF’s latest guidance on asset recovery 9th Global Conference on Criminal Finances and Cryptoassets Stay ConnectedDive deeper into the world of asset recovery by subscribing to Seize & Desist.DisclaimerOur podcasts are for informational purposes only. They are not intended to provide legal, tax, financial, and/or investment advice. Listeners must consult their own advisors before making decisions on the topics discussed. Asset Reality has no responsibility or liability for any decision made or any other acts or omissions in connection with your use of this material. The views expressed by guests are their own and their appearance on the program does not imply an endorsement of them or any entity they represent. Views and opinions expressed by Asset Reality employees are those of the employees and do not necessarily reflect the views of the company. Asset Reality does not guarantee or warrant the accuracy, completeness, timeliness, suitability or validity of the information in any particular podcast and will not be responsible for any claim attributable to errors, omissions, or other inaccuracies of any part of such material. Unless stated otherwise, reference to any specific product or entity does not constitute an endorsement or recommendation by Asset Reality.
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  • Ep. 25: Bridging Public and Private Asset Recovery
    In this episode, Aidan speaks with Carmel King, Partner at Grant Thornton UK, about the role of insolvency practitioners and liquidators in recovering assets lost to fraud and financial crime, especially in the context of digital assets. They discuss how these powers work alongside law enforcement efforts and why collaboration, trust, and clear communication between the public and private sectors are key to delivering better outcomes for victims. Want to go deeper? Join our upcoming webinar, ‘Closing the Asset Recovery Gap’, on 14th October at 2pm UK | 9am EDT, where former law enforcement professionals draw on their cross-sector experience to explore how civil recovery routes work alongside law enforcement and how specialised technology platforms are strengthening coordination across sectors. Timestamps00:00 – Introduction and Background 04:00 – The Hidden Powers of Liquidators 09:00 – Bridging Public and Private Sector Efforts 16:00 – Real-World Cases & Lessons Learned 24:00 – Tackling Law Enforcement & Victim Challenges 30:00 – Crypto Recovery: Success Stories & Civil Routes 38:00 – Navigating Jurisdictional & Valuation Hurdles 45:00 – The Future of Asset Recovery & Collaboration About our Guest Carmel King is a Partner at Grant Thornton UK, where she leads the digital asset recovery team. With extensive experience in insolvency and asset recovery, Carmel specialises in combating financial crime and recovering assets for victims. Her work often involves collaboration with law enforcement and private sector professionals to navigate the complexities of cross-border asset recovery and the evolving landscape of crypto assets.Key Takeaways Insolvency as a Recovery Tool: Insolvency and liquidation powers provide a unique mechanism to recover assets lost to fraud, complementing traditional law enforcement efforts. Collaboration Between Public and Private Sectors: Effective asset recovery relies on coordination between law enforcement, investigators, and private practitioners to overcome legal, technical, and operational challenges. Digital Asset Challenges: Cryptocurrencies and other digital assets introduce new complexities, requiring specialised approaches to trace, value, and recover funds. Preventing Re‑Victimisation: Awareness and education are critical to protect victims from fraudulent recovery schemes and ensure fair outcomes. Evolving Landscape of Asset Recovery: Case studies and ongoing developments illustrate how the field is constantly changing, highlighting the importance of innovation, technology, and co‑operation. Resources Mentioned Crypto Fraud and Asset Recovery Network (CFAAR) Grant Thornton UK Met Police | Two people convicted following world's largest crypto seizure Stay Connected Dive deeper into the world of asset recovery by subscribing to Seize & Desist.Disclaimer Our podcasts are for informational purposes only. They are not intended to provide legal, tax, financial, and/or investment advice. Listeners must consult their own advisors before making decisions on the topics discussed. Asset Reality has no responsibility or liability for any decision made or any other acts or omissions in connection with your use of this material. The views expressed by guests are their own and their appearance on the program does not imply an endorsement of them or any entity they represent. Views and opinions expressed by Asset Reality employees are those of the employees and do not necessarily reflect the views of the company. Asset Reality does not guarantee or warrant the accuracy, completeness, timeliness, suitability or validity of the information in any particular podcast and will not be responsible for any claim attributable to errors, omissions, or other inaccuracies of any part of such material. Unless stated otherwise, reference to any specific product or entity does not constitute an endorsement or recommendation by Asset Reality.
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  • Ep. 24: Asset Recovery in a Digital-First World
    In this conversation, Aidan Larkin sits down with Dr. Max Bernt (TaxBit) to explore the future of asset recovery in a digital-first world. They dive into how data aggregation, crypto, and stablecoins are transforming investigations - and why practitioners have reason for optimism. Timestamps00:00 – Introduction and Background 04:00 – Inside the Digital Asset Recovery Ecosystem 09:48 – How TaxBit Bridges On-Chain and Off-Chain Data 16:00 – Real-World Cases & Lessons Learned 27:50 – Tackling Data Challenges & Regulatory Hurdles 32:09 – Stablecoins: Risks and Opportunities 40:49 – The Future of Financial Crime Investigations 51:03 – Why There’s Reason for Optimism in Recovery About our Guest Dr. Max Bernt is TaxBit’s Global Head of Regulatory Affairs and Managing Director for Europe. With a robust background in transnational criminal law and extensive experience in regulatory affairs, he advises on cases and policy involving cryptocurrency, financial crime, and digital asset recovery. Max has helped shape discussions around the intersection of law enforcement and crypto, exploring how data aggregation, stablecoins, and regulatory frameworks impact investigations and compliance. Key Takeaways Evolving Asset Recovery Ecosystem: Technology is driving the evolution of the asset recovery ecosystem, creating new tools and approaches for practitioners. Importance of Data Aggregation: Effective investigations rely on robust data aggregation, helping practitioners identify patterns and trace assets efficiently. Bridging On-Chain and Off-Chain Data: TaxBit serves as a critical bridge between on- and off-chain data, enabling more accurate and comprehensive investigations. Impact of Regulatory Changes: Shifting regulations will have a significant effect on financial crime investigations, requiring practitioners to adapt strategies accordingly. Opportunities and Challenges of Stablecoins: Stablecoins present both opportunities and challenges for investigators, influencing how digital assets are tracked and recovered. Optimism for the Future of Asset Recovery: Despite the challenges, practitioners can be optimistic about future advancements, including improved efficiency, technology, and collaboration in the field. Resources Mentioned Taxbit Stay Connected Dive deeper into the world of asset recovery by subscribing to Seize & Desist: https://link.cohostpodcasting.com/b36b929c-6ca3-4e49-8258-44c310d012c9?d=sG5Qi2MdL DisclaimerOur podcasts are for informational purposes only. They are not intended to provide legal, tax, financial, and/or investment advice. Listeners must consult their own advisors before making decisions on the topics discussed. Asset Reality has no responsibility or liability for any decision made or any other acts or omissions in connection with your use of this material. The views expressed by guests are their own and their appearance on the program does not imply an endorsement of them or any entity they represent. Views and opinions expressed by Asset Reality employees are those of the employees and do not necessarily reflect the views of the company. Asset Reality does not guarantee or warrant the accuracy, completeness, timeliness, suitability or validity of the information in any particular podcast and will not be responsible for any claim attributable to errors, omissions, or other inaccuracies of any part of such material. Unless stated otherwise, reference to any specific product or entity does not constitute an endorsement or recommendation by Asset Reality.
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Welcome to Seize & Desist - the first podcast to explore the fascinating and complex world of seized assets. In this show, Asset Reality co-founder and CEO Aidan Larkin will be joined by some of the industry’s most influential and renowned experts to discuss their perspectives on the latest headlines, trends and challenges shaping the future of global asset recovery. They’ll explore how asset recovery impacts individuals and organisations alike and how it's evolving to keep pace with emerging technological advancements like cryptocurrencies, NFTs and other virtual assets. Whether you're new to the world of seized asset recovery or a seasoned practitioner, join us inside the world of asset recovery and uncover the stories shaping its future. Subscribe to be the first to hear new episodes of Seize & Desist. Connect with Asset Reality on social media: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/asset-reality/ Twitter (X): https://twitter.com/asset_reality Stay up-to-date with the latest industry developments by reading our blog: https://www.assetreality.com/blog Connect with our host Aidan Larkin on social media: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aidan-larkin-29810781/ Twitter (X): https://twitter.com/AidanJLarkin Seize & Desist is for informational purposes only and is not intended to provide legal, tax, financial, and/or investment advice. Listeners must consult their own advisors before making decisions on the topics discussed. Asset Reality has no responsibility or liability for any decision made or any other acts or omissions in connection with your use of this material. The views expressed by guests are their own and their appearance on the program does not imply an endorsement of them or any entity they represent. Views and opinions expressed by Asset Reality employees are those of the employees and do not necessarily reflect the views of the company. Asset Reality does not guarantee or warrant the accuracy, completeness, timeliness, suitability or validity of the information in any particular podcast and will not be responsible for any claim attributable to errors, omissions, or other inaccuracies of any part of such material. Unless stated otherwise, reference to any specific product or entity does not constitute an endorsement or recommendation by Asset Reality.
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