Hiro Murai sat down with us, and we still can't believe it.
The director behind Atlanta, This Is America, Station Eleven, Mr. & Mrs. Smith, and now Apple TV+'s Widow's Bay joins Schmear and Sena to get into all of it.
We talk about the cozy-and-terrifying tone of Widow's Bay, working with Matthew Rhys and creator Katie Dippold, and why Hiro chases the feeling of "Is this even going to work?" on every project instead of the slam dunk.
Then we go deep on the catalog: Teddy Perkins, Alligator Man, the crawlspace clown, the chaos of shooting This Is America in two days, and the foundational weirdness of Clapping for the Wrong Reasons. He gives us his NO NOTES picks, casts NO NOTES movies for the Widow's Bay characters, and refuses to tell us what's behind the show's closed door.