Brand New Result Proving Penrose & Tao's Uncomputability in Physics!
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Mathematician Eva Miranda returns with a groundbreaking new result: a real physical system (fluid motion) has been proven to be Turing-complete. This means some fluid paths are logically undecidable. In this mind-bending episode, she walks us through the implications for chaos theory, the Navier-Stokes equations, and uncomputability in nature, confirming long-held suspicions of thinkers like Roger Penrose and Terence Tao. Featuring rubber ducks, Alan Turing, and the limits of knowledge itself.
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Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction
01:10 Expect the Unexpected
02:52 Stories of Uncertainty
04:45 The Impact of Alan Turing
06:35 The Halting Problem Explained
09:29 Limits of Mathematical Knowledge
12:40 From Certainty to Uncertainty
16:19 The Rubber Duck Phenomenon
19:29 Unpredictability vs. Undecidability
20:18 Classical Chaos and the Butterfly Effect
27:12 Asteroids and Chaos Theory
34:32 The Navier-Stokes Riddle
41:18 The Cantor Set and Computation
46:18 Bridging Discrete and Continuous
49:21 Turing Completeness in Fluid Dynamics
1:02:39 The Quest for Navier-Stokes Solutions
1:06:53 The Role of Viscosity
1:12:09 Hybrid Computers and Fluid Dynamics
1:26:57 Unpredictability in Deterministic Systems
1:31:44 The Future of Computational Models
Links Mentioned:
• Eva’s First Appearance [TOE]: https://youtu.be/6XyMepn-AZo
• Moby Duck [Book]: https://amzn.to/4ldoYsZ
• Roger Penrose [TOE]: https://youtu.be/sGm505TFMbU
• The Emperor’s New Mind [Book]: https://amzn.to/44jHpGK
• Edward Frenkel [TOE]: https://youtu.be/RX1tZv_Nv4Y
• Richard Borcherds [TOE]: https://youtu.be/U3pQWkE2KqM
• Clay Mathematics Institute: https://www.claymath.org/
• Eva’s Papers: https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=werIoRQAAAAJ&hl=en
• Topological Kleene Field Theories [Paper]: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2503.16100
• Ted Jacobson [TOE]: https://youtu.be/3mhctWlXyV8
• Stephen Wolfram [TOE]: https://youtu.be/0YRlQQw0d-4
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The Mathematical Accident That Changes Everything
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Harvard physicist Jacob Barandes returns with a groundbreaking insight that could reshape quantum theory. By questioning a single hidden assumption, Jacob bridges the gap between classical probability and quantum mechanics. This ‘mathematical accident’ challenges the foundations of Bell’s Theorem, dissolves the measurement problem, and opens a path to a realist interpretation of quantum physics. This episode is a rigorous journey through stochastic processes, non-locality, and the future of theoretical physics.
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Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction01:02 Non-locality & Local Realism13:58 Quantum Theory20:45 Copenhagen Interpretation28:11 Many Worlds Interpretation34:54 Creating Indivisible Stochastic Process50:59 Indivisible Stochastic Process
1:01:46 Teaching Black Holes to Graduate Students
1:04:59 Coordinate Systems in Space-Time
1:06:58 Teaching Black Hole Coordinates
1:10:11 Insights from Nima
1:13:41 Nima's Course on Quantum Mechanics
1:16:22 Quantum Foundations and Cosmology
1:18:48 Transitioning to Quantum Gravity
1:23:10 Philosophy's Role in Physics
1:26:10 Leaving String Theory
1:33:39 Interpretations of Quantum Mechanics
1:37:02 Challenges of String Theory
1:42:49 Quantum Field Theory Insights
1:50:30 Foundations of Quantum Field Theory
1:53:47 Particle Existence Between Measurements
1:59:44 Speculations on Quantum Gravity
2:01:41 Legacy and Contributions
Links Mentioned:
• Press release of the 2022 Nobel Prize in Physics: https://www.nobelprize.org/uploads/2022/10/press-physicsprize2022-2.pdf
• Eddy Chen & Barry Loewer on TOE: https://youtu.be/xZnafO__IZ0
• Jacob Barandes on TOE (part 1): https://youtu.be/7oWip00iXbo
• Tim Maudlin on TOE: https://youtu.be/fU1bs5o3nss
• What Is Real? (book): https://www.amazon.com/What-Real-Unfinished-Meaning-Quantum/dp/0465096050
• David Wallace on TOE: https://youtu.be/4MjNuJK5RzM
• The Copenhagen Interpretation: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/qm-copenhagen/
• Bohmian Mechanics: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/qm-bohm/
• Everettian Quantum Mechanics: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/qm-everett/
• Jacob Barandes on TOE (part 2): https://youtu.be/YaS1usLeXQM
• Jacob Barandes on TOE (part 3): https://youtu.be/wrUvtqr4wOs
• The sky is blue (paper): https://arxiv.org/pdf/2205.00568
• The Emergent Universe (book): https://www.amazon.com/Emergent-Multiverse-Quantum-according-Interpretation/dp/0198707541
• Complex Coordinates and Quantum Mechanics (paper): https://journals.aps.org/rmp/abstract/10.1103/RevModPhys.38.36
• Kurt Vonnegut’s lecture: https://youtu.be/4_RUgnC1lm8
• Max Born’s memoir: https://archive.org/details/myliferecollecti0000born/page/n5/mode/2up
• Hugh Everett’s unpublished dissertation: https://ia801909.us.archive.org/20/items/TheTheoryOfTheUniversalWaveFunction/The%20Theory%20of%20the%20Universal%20Wave%20Function.pdf
• La nouvelle cuisine (paper): https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/abs/speakable-and-unspeakable-in-quantum-mechanics/la-nouvelle-cuisine/6FFC85D84585D9C41AA4A1185BF5290E
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The 300-Year-Old Physics Mistake No One Noticed
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Professor John Norton has spent decades dismantling the hidden assumptions in physics from Newton’s determinism to the myth of Landauer’s Principle. In this episode, he explains why causation may not be real, how classical physics breaks down, and why even Einstein got some things wrong. If you’re ready to rethink the foundations of science, this one’s essential.
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Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction
03:37 Norton's Dome Explained
06:30 The Misunderstanding of Determinism
09:31 Thermodynamics and Infinite Systems
14:39 Implications for Quantum Mechanics
16:20 Revisiting Causation
18:15 Critique of Causal Metaphysics
20:21 The Utility of Causal Language
24:58 Exploring Thought Experiments
33:05 Landauer's Principle Discussion
49:48 Critique of Experimental Validation
52:25 Consequences for Maxwell's Demon
1:13:34 Einstein's Critiques of Quantum Mechanics
1:28:16 The Nature of Scientific Discovery
1:42:56 Inductive Inferences in Science
Links Mentioned:
• A Primer on Determinism (book): https://amzn.to/45Jn3b4
• John Norton’s papers: https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=UDteMFoAAAAJ
• Causation as Folk Science (paper): https://sites.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/papers/003004.pdf
• Lipschitz continuity (wiki): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipschitz_continuity
• The Dome: An Unexpectedly Simple Failure of Determinism (paper): https://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/2943/1/Norton.pdf
• Norton’s Dome (wiki): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norton%27s_dome
• Approximation and Idealization (paper): https://sites.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/papers/Ideal_Approx_final.pdf
• On the Quantum Theory of Radiation (paper): https://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/scientists/einstein/1917_Radiation.pdf
• Making Things Happen (book): https://ccc.inaoep.mx/~esucar/Clases-mgc/Making-Things-Happen-A-Theory-of-Causal-Explanation.pdf
• Causation in Physics (wiki): https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/causation-physics/
• Laboratory of the Mind (paper): https://www.academia.edu/2644953/REVIEW_James_R_Brown_Laboratory_of_the_Mind
• Roger Penrose on TOE: https://youtu.be/sGm505TFMbU
• Ted Jacobson on TOE: https://youtu.be/3mhctWlXyV8
• The Thermodynamics of Computation (paper): https://sites.cc.gatech.edu/computing/nano/documents/Bennett%20-%20The%20Thermodynamics%20Of%20Computation.pdf
• What’s Actually Possible? (article): https://curtjaimungal.substack.com/p/the-unexamined-in-principle
• On a Decrease of Entropy in a Thermodynamic System (paper): https://fab.cba.mit.edu/classes/862.22/notes/computation/Szilard-1929.pdf
• Landauer’s principle and thermodynamics (article): https://www.nature.com/articles/nature10872
• The Logical Inconsistency of Old Quantum Theory of Black Body Radiation (paper): https://sites.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/papers/Inconsistency_OQT.pdf
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Top Physicists Call Out Many Worlds As Nonsense | Jacob Barandes Λ Emily Adlam
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Top physicists Emily Adlam and Jacob Barandes deliver a powerful takedown of the Many Worlds Interpretation. In this episode, they expose why it’s more philosophical fantasy than scientific theory, revealing its lack of testability, predictive power, and real-world grounding. If you’ve ever questioned whether parallel universes are legitimate physics or just sci-fi masquerading as science, this conversation will challenge everything.
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Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction
01:08 Philosophical Foundations of Quantum Mechanics
3:22 The Nature of Self-Identity
10:59 Exploring Branching Universes
12:54 Collaboration Between Physicists and Philosophers
16:51 Understanding Probability and Credence
29:12 The Role of Indexicals in Consciousness
36:36 Causation and Its Implications
45:45 Disagreement on Personal Identity
51:03 The Hard Problem of Consciousness
1:00:35 Reflections on Conscious Experience
1:08:05 Concluding Thoughts on Mind and Identity
1:08:48 Time and Mind
1:09:09 The Concept of the World Line
1:14:43 Active Consciousness and Agency
1:19:12 The Hard Problem of Consciousness
1:36:15 Emergence in Physics
1:55:46 Speculation vs. Rigorous Argument
2:06:13 Philosophy's Contribution to Physics
2:12:43 Bridging Philosophy and Physics
Links Mentioned:
• Emily’s first appearance on TOE: https://youtu.be/6I2OhmVWLMs
• Emily’s profile: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Emily-Adlam
• Jacob’s first appearance on TOE: https://youtu.be/7oWip00iXbo
• Jacob’s website: https://www.jacobbarandes.com/
• Jacob Barandes on TOE: https://youtu.be/YaS1usLeXQM
• Against Self-Location (paper): https://arxiv.org/pdf/2409.05259
• Eddy Chen & Barry Loewer on TOE: https://youtu.be/xZnafO__IZ0
• Julian Barbour on TOE: https://youtu.be/bprxrGaf0Os
• Robert Sapolsky on TOE: https://youtu.be/z0IqA1hYKY8
• Curt’s Consciousness Iceberg: https://youtu.be/65yjqIDghEk
• Iain McGilchrist on TOE: https://youtu.be/Q9sBKCd2HD0
• Stories of Your Life and Others (book): https://www.amazon.com/dp/1101972122
• Matt Segall on TOE: https://youtu.be/DeTm4fSXpbM
• TOE’s Free Will compilation: https://youtu.be/SSbUCEleJhg
• Manolis Kellis & Jacob Barandes debate: https://youtu.be/MTD8xkbiGis
• “The Incompatibility of Free Will and Determinism” (paper): https://iweb.langara.ca/rjohns/files/2013/01/van_inwagen.pdf
• After Physics (book): https://www.amazon.com/dp/067497087X
• Michael Levin on TOE: https://youtu.be/c8iFtaltX-s
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The God Crutch: Do The Laws of Physics Exist?
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Are the laws of physics governing forces or elegant summaries? In this deep and often humorous debate, Barry Loewer of Rutgers and Eddy Chen of UC San Diego clash over the very nature of physical reality. Are the laws of nature real, mind independent constraints that shape what’s possible or are they human made descriptions of observed patterns? Together they explore metaphysics, causation, probability, and whether the universe is truly ruled by anything at all. A must watch for anyone questioning the foundations of science itself.
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Timestamps:
00:00 The Nature of Physical Reality
42:28 The Circularity of Scientific Understanding
1:05:44 Reality Explored
1:08:28 Describing Human Experience
1:10:10 The Role of Science
1:10:58 Understanding Motion and Laws
1:12:19 The Nature of Laws
1:14:55 Possible Worlds in Philosophy
1:18:05 Configuration Space Debate
1:21:10 Quantum Mechanics and Reality
1:22:50 Metaphysical Necessity
1:27:13 The Nature of Free Will
1:30:14 Bridging Philosophy and Science
1:32:05 Constraints and Freedom
1:34:57 Philosophical Disputes
1:39:08 The Journey of Learning
2:05:16 Teaching and Learning Dynamics
2:07:23 Closing Reflections
Links Mentioned:
• Barry’s published papers: https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=n_RTOwO00oEC&hl=en
• Eddy’s published papers: https://arxiv.org/a/chen_e_1.html
• Neil Turok on TOE: https://youtu.be/ZUp9x44N3uE
• Greg Chaitin on TOE: https://youtu.be/zMPnrNL3zsE
• Leonard Susskind on TOE: https://youtu.be/2p_Hlm6aCok
• Emily Adlam on TOE: https://youtu.be/6I2OhmVWLMs
• Laws of Nature and Chances (book): https://www.amazon.com/Laws-Nature-Chances-Breathes-Equations/dp/0198907699
• Laws of Physics (book): https://www.amazon.com/Laws-Physics-Elements-Philosophy/dp/100901272X/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1CHA72RYFUOI8&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.OjkhTXRzZw_SWTMFZp8dUtREsTxacKuwg03AsLUUp6qLCuygS74CtEgujWl7wMvVEt-ErFEz-CfFLiiXTmuUCwKq0TW4WLFIA3DIhDNVaV4.gRuqaZldjUa8Kv_j1ew-CfZGQqtdt00X55fyMZ9NGD4&dib_tag=se&keywords=eddy+chen&qid=1749667626&s=books&sprefix=eddy+chen%2Cstripbooks%2C128&sr=1-1
• On the Plurality of Worlds (book): https://www.amazon.com/Plurality-Worlds-David-K-Lewis/dp/0631224262
• Tim Maudlin on TOE: https://youtu.be/fU1bs5o3nss
• Tim Maudlin and Tim Palmer on TOE: https://youtu.be/883R3JlZHXE
• How Physics Makes Us Free (book): https://www.amazon.com/How-Physics-Makes-Us-Free/dp/0190269448
• From Time Asymmetry to Quantum Entanglement (paper): https://arxiv.org/pdf/2006.05029
• Jacob Barandes on TOE: https://youtu.be/7oWip00iXbo
• Realism with a Human Face (book): https://www.amazon.com/Realism-Human-Face-Hilary-Putnam/dp/0674749456
• Causation and Laws of Nature in Early Modern Philosophy (book): https://www.amazon.com/Causation-Nature-Early-Modern-Philosophy/dp/0199664684/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0
• The Maniac (book): https://www.amazon.com/MANIAC-Benjamin-Labatut/dp/0593654471
• When We Cease to Understand the World (book): https://www.amazon.com/When-We-Cease-Understand-World/dp/1681375664
• Eddy’s paper on time and nature: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2109.09226
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Exploring theoretical physics, consciousness, Ai, and God in a technically rigorous manner. If you'd like to support this endeavor, then please visit the Patreon ( https://patreon.com/curtjaimungal ). Thank you for your charitable and kindhearted support. My name's Curt Jaimungal, a Torontonian with a degree in mathematical physics from the University of Toronto and I analyze various Theories of Everything from this analytic perspective, though more and more opening up to alternative approaches. The separating factor of TOE from other podcasts is its focus on depth even at the risk of limiting the audience due to how much detail we delve into subjects. Paralleling the intensity found in academic discourse, we're increasingly embracing a spectrum of unconventional ideas to conduct research during this podcast, rather than merely conveying existing information. Contact toe [at] indiefilmTO [dot] com for business inquiries / sponsorship.
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