Trezor Talks

They didn’t just buy Bitcoin, they rebuilt their lives around it. In this episode, Sean sits down with Giacomo Zucco & Mir Liponi, the driving force behind the Plan B Network, a movement dedicated to hard money education, community building, and supporting Bitcoin-centric startups.

In this episode, you’ll learn:
• Why they quit their traditional careers to focus on Bitcoin
• What the early Italian Bitcoin scene looked like
• Why in-person connections are key to long-term adoption
• How they're helping people get real jobs in Bitcoin (and what most people get wrong)

Timestamps:
(00:00) - Meta welcome
(01:28) - Bitcoin culture in Italy 🇮🇹
(09:55) - Radicalization in Italy post-lockdowns
(13:08) - Sharing the orange pill 💊
(16:00) - Quitting traditional jobs for Bitcoin
(17:44) - Starting a movement from meetups
(21:07) - The early days of Bitcoin in Italy
(22:52) - Bitcoin conferences then vs. now
(29:00) - Bitcoin adoption
(32:16) - Getting into Bitcoin be like…
(32:53) - Honey Badger meme origin 🦡
(34:10) - How Plan B Network started
(40:32) - Mir’s work building global hubs
(42:35) - Learn about Bitcoin (free course)
(45:50) - How to get a job in Bitcoin
(48:00) - Teaching Bitcoin to professionals
(50:08) - The biggest collection of Bitcoin knowledge?
(52:34) - Why better beginner content is needed
(56:34) - What’s changed since you started?
(01:02:10) - Tips for getting hired in Bitcoin
(01:07:20) - Want more sats? Keep your fiat job
(01:08:25) - What’s next?
(01:10:44) - Conclusion and traditional awkward handshake (outro)

Check out Plan B Network: ⁠https://planb.network/⁠
Protect your bitcoin with Trezor: ⁠https://trezor.io/

Roman Reher (aka Blocktrainer) went from an IT professional to one of the most influential Bitcoin educators in Germany. After a near-death experience, he made it his mission to spread the truth about decentralized money, freedom, and how Bitcoin changes everything.
In this episode of Trezor Talks, Sean sits down with Roman to uncover:
• Why Roman only focuses on Bitcoin (and ignores altcoins)
• How to grow a successful Bitcoin content channel (even in bear markets) • How to reach Bitcoin adoption
• Why it’s never too late to buy bitcoin …and more!

Timestamps:
(00:00) - Introduction and welcoming Roman
(03:20) - The team behind Blocktrainer
(07:24) - How Roman got started during the 2018 bear market
(08:50) - Why there is no second best to Bitcoin
(11:46) - Growing a Bitcoin-focused channel
(13:04) - How to create great Bitcoin content
(16:33) - Falling down the Bitcoin rabbit hole
(23:32) - The Agent Smith Effect explained
(27:58) - Bitcoin as a network of truth
(31:14) - Why fear should not control your life
(34:10) - Why Blocktrainer stays German-only
(39:05) - Germany’s pro-HODLer tax law
(42:05) - The best path to Bitcoin adoption
(48:54) - Advice for aspiring YouTubers
(49:20) - Roman’s near-death experience
(54:15) - Why you should not quit your job for Bitcoin
(55:50) - How to talk to Bitcoin skeptics
(01:03:27) - Money as society’s base layer (Dunbar’s number)
(01:05:33) - Is it too late to buy bitcoin in 2025?
(01:12:30) - Why you should not plan life too rigidly
(01:16:00) - Closing thoughts and the awkward handshake
Secure your crypto with Trezor: https://trezor.io/

They made the first-ever auditable Secure Element chip. This changes everything for crypto security and beyond…
Jan Pleskač (CTO) and Kryštof Jelínek (CBO) have been part of Tropic Square’s 5+ year mission to solve the problem of closed architecture chips that have NDAs and limited transparency. 
Imagine this: your device has a Secure Element chip to protect your secrets, but when a flaw is found, you’re not allowed to disclose it!
That’s the reality for many closed chips today. Tropic Square is changing that with community-verified chips, so you don’t have to trust blindly.  

In this podcast, you will discover:
Why open-source transparency is vital for future-proof crypto security

How auditable chips protect against hidden vulnerabilities

What open architecture hardware means for trust and innovation

How Tropic Square approaches the quantum threat

And more insights from 5+ years of development.
“Open-source isn’t about protecting yourself... It’s about protecting your customers.” 🫳🎤

Timestamps:
(00:00) – Intro: Welcome Tropic Square! 🌴
(02:00) – What does open-source mean to you?
(06:26) – Why you should care about open-source transparency
(15:26) – Who the TROPIC01 chip was built for
(22:45) – Real-world TROPIC01 chip integrations
(25:40) – Convincing people that privacy matters
(28:00) – Build it and they will come 🛠️
(29:10) – Future plans for Tropic Square
(37:59) – TROPIC01 chip for Trezor Safe 7 customization
(39:55) – This changes everything 🚀
(46:32) – What it’s like to build an open architecture security company?
(47:47) – Closing thoughts and awkward handshakes

Secure your crypto with Trezor: https://trezor.io/

Can Bitcoin save us from AI censorship, misleading media, and government overreach?

Efrat thinks so.

Marketing professional turned freedom activist, journalist, and podcaster, Efrat Fenigson joins Sean in the Trezor Talks studio to discuss her journey and why she left her career behind to pursue journalism, Bitcoin, and traveling.

They dive into:
- The moment she walked away from her big tech job
- How to fight censorship as an independent journalist
- Why most startups fail (and how to build one that lasts)
- Why personal brands are the future
- Her concerns around AI, freedom, and state control
- Why she turns down most brand partnerships — except Trezor :)

And more!

Done with providing "shareholder value" for big companies, Efrat is now chasing the truth. And her journey might just shift how you see the future of Bitcoin, media, and control.

This podcast was filmed during BTC Prague.

Timestamps:
(00:00) - Intro: Journalist, or marketer?
(07:51) - COVID changed her mission
(15:49) - Fighting censorship as an independent journalist
(18:04) - The bull and bear case for AI
(22:19) - Are you giving value, anon?
(24:20) - Building brands VS. having a boss
(27:37) - Many influencers are dishonest
(30:46) - Building a personal brand? Start here
(32:41) - Sean noticed this while working at Trezor…
(36:15) - We need more transparency in the world
(39:27) - Why many startups fail
(41:00) - Outro: Efrat has recorded seven podcasts this week 😳
(45:25) - Closing alarm & awkward handshake

Secure your crypto with Trezor: https://trezor.io/

If Bitcoin’s famous 4-year cycle is breaking down, what does that mean for investors, and does it weaken the case for Bitcoin’s future?
In this episode of Trezor Talks, popular Bitcoin podcaster and Austro-libertarian thinker Stephan Livera joins Sean to explore Bitcoin’s role in a late-stage fiat world.
They discuss:
• How hyperbitcoinization could actually happen
• The risks of treasury companies holding Bitcoin
• Why Bitcoin is the greatest opportunity for young people
• What it really means to live in late-stage fiat
• Why gold is not the money of the future
• How to survive bear markets without getting rekt
• Why self-custody will always be #1
And more!
“For most people, the safe thing to do is stay humble and stack sats.” — Stephan Livera
This podcast was filmed during BTC Prague.
Timestamps:
(0:00) – Introduction: What is an Austro-libertarian?
(5:05) – Stephan’s mission: spreading Bitcoin awareness
(10:36) – Are Bitcoin’s 4-year cycles ending?
(19:40) – The risks of Bitcoin treasury companies
(28:27) – Living in late-stage fiat
(30:15) – You need to ride the cycles 🎢
(32:00) – Purity tests in Bitcoin
(36:15) – NGU technology & onboarding newcoiners
(40:00) – Why people keep using exchanges
(41:48) – How to stop friends losing coins
(46:40) – Wen hyperbitcoinization?!
(51:25) – Why you’re still early
(53:10) – Sean got his bank frozen
(54:55) – Will Google & Apple bow to Bitcoin? (YES!)
(56:18) – Prague has become a Bitcoin hub
(57:26) – Zoom out: price vs. big picture
(59:30) – Sean’s favorite meme on surviving the bear market
(1:01:50) – Bitcoin vs. gold & property
(1:08:10) – Closing thoughts & the awkward handshake

Secure your crypto with Trezor: https://trezor.io/