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Beyond Sunday Worship Leader Podcast

David Santistevan: Worship Leader, Blogger, Teacher
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    #384: Leadership Lessons For All From The History Of The Black Church with L. Michelle Smith

    28.02.2026 | 1 Std. 5 Min.
    Something I am so grateful for is the leadership experience I received growing up in the church. From a young age, I got involved in worship teams. I led small groups. I developed skills. I was put on stages I had no business being on. Church wasn’t just a weekly service we attended. It was a leadership incubator.

    L. Michelle Smith has written a new book called Call And Response: 10 Leadership Lessons From the Black Church. In it she discusses how the Black Church has historically developed high level business leaders. The book borrows from culture, neuroscience, and positive psychology to describe the power of the Black Church and why it has produced so many high level leaders .

    Whether you’ve grown up in the Black Church or have never even visited, we all have something to learn here.

    Because if the church stops developing leaders in favor of merely hiring out a professional, performative workforce, we could be in some trouble.

    This is David Santistevan. You can reach me anytime at [email protected] As always, thank you for listening.

    Topics Covered:

    Why the history of Call and Response in the Black Church matters to us today

    Leadership development in the local church

    Leadership lessons learned in the Black Church

    What it’s like being a successful Black women in corporate America

    Why The Black Church is seen as inferior in both white and black spaces

    Resources Mentioned:

    Show Sponsor: Planning Center

    Call And Response: 10 Leadership Lessons From The Black Church by L. Michelle Smith

    The Black Church: This Is Our Story This Is Our Song by Henry Louis Gates, Jr.

    Show Sponsor:

    This episode is sponsored by Planning Center, an all-in-one church management software made to help churches help people. You can organize your ministries and keep everyone on your team communicating and aligned around what’s going on.

    As a worship leader, good communication is key to building a strong worship team. You can cultivate relationships while ensuring everyone has what they need to successfully prep for your services.

    But why not take it up a notch using the chat feature?

    Built right into the Services mobile app—which, by the way, you should totally download if you haven’t already—chat helps you coordinate all the service details with your team. Plus, you can have fun while doing it!

    No more juggling emails, group texts, and multiple apps to ensure your whole team is aligned. Chat will simplify your communication in one convenient place through the Services mobile app. And everyone can ask questions, request prayer, or join the banter in real-time with one another.

    The really cool part about chatting with your teams? Team members are dynamically added or removed from conversations as availability changes!

    So if your original bass player suddenly declines (why is it so hard to find a bass player, anyway?), your newly scheduled bass player is automatically added to the chat conversation.

    All of your chat conversations stay in sync. No more outdated group threads or irrelevant messages! So what are you waiting for? Download the Services app and start chatting!

    The post #384: Leadership Lessons For All From The History Of The Black Church with L. Michelle Smith appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.
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    #383: Making Worship Music That Doesn’t Sound Like Worship Music with Trip Lee

    16.02.2026 | 1 Std. 2 Min.
    There’s an argument that has gone around for decades and it revolves around the idea of how much worship music do we need? Do we have enough?

    On the one hand, yes, we have more worship music than we’ll ever be able to use in our Sunday morning services. And there’s also the argument that worship music is the most lucrative music in Christian music. I don’t think that can be debated.

    So while there are business and industry incentives to make worship music that will always exist at the intersection of Christianity and industry, what is the biblical perspective?

    What does the Bible teach us about singing, songwriting, and corporate worship?

    Trip Lee is a hip hop artist, a preacher, a rapper, an author…and he’s released a worship album.

    I appreciate Trip and his commitment to God’s Word.

    We talk about the power of worship music, why we need more cultural expressions of it, and how worship music should be viewed as a tool of discipleship. We also talk about culture and Christianity, racial tension, and how we should think about the division in the church right now.

    Trip is awesome and this conversation was a joy.

    This is David Santistevan and you can reach me anytime at [email protected]. As always thank you for listening.

    Topics Covered:

    Trip’s story of coming to faith in Christ

    The influence of church music on Tripp’s music

    Musical and theological influences

    Why Tripp decided to make a worship album

    The intersection of culture and church

    Why it can be challenging to partner together across racial and cultural lines

    Resources Mentioned:

    Show Sponsor: Planning Center

    For Your Glory EP by Trip Lee & Brag Worship

    Brag Worship

    Show Sponsor:

    This episode is sponsored by Planning Center, an all-in-one church management software made to help churches help people. You can organize your ministries and keep everyone on your team communicating and aligned around what’s going on.

    As a worship leader, good communication is key to building a strong worship team. You can cultivate relationships while ensuring everyone has what they need to successfully prep for your services.

    But why not take it up a notch using the chat feature?

    Built right into the Services mobile app—which, by the way, you should totally download if you haven’t already—chat helps you coordinate all the service details with your team. Plus, you can have fun while doing it!

    No more juggling emails, group texts, and multiple apps to ensure your whole team is aligned. Chat will simplify your communication in one convenient place through the Services mobile app. And everyone can ask questions, request prayer, or join the banter in real-time with one another.

    The really cool part about chatting with your teams? Team members are dynamically added or removed from conversations as availability changes!

    So if your original bass player suddenly declines (why is it so hard to find a bass player, anyway?), your newly scheduled bass player is automatically added to the chat conversation.

    All of your chat conversations stay in sync. No more outdated group threads or irrelevant messages! So what are you waiting for? Download the Services app and start chatting!

    The post #383: Making Worship Music That Doesn’t Sound Like Worship Music with Trip Lee appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.
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    #382: Uncommon & Creative Ways to Reimagine Your Worship Services with W. David O. Taylor

    01.02.2026 | 1 Std. 12 Min.
    If you’re a worship leader, you plan services. It comes with the territory. It’s part of the job. Most of the time, that comes down to picking songs.

    But what are we missing in our churches when service planning, programming, and worship leading is reduced to merely picking songs?

    W. David O. Taylor is Associate Professor of Theology & Culture at Fuller Theological Seminary as well as the director of various initiatives in worship, theology and the arts. He teaches courses in systematic theology, art and worship, art and theology, art and beauty, spiritual formation through the psalms, and theology and science fiction. He is the author of the books Glimpses of The New Creation, Prayers for the Pilgrimage, A Body of Praise, Open & Unafraid, as well as the upcoming book To Set the World Aflame: How Artists Bear Witness to the Fullness of God’s Creation.

    David is a deep well of wisdom when it comes to worship and the arts. What I love about this conversation is he helps us see more expansive view of what worship is and can be in the church.

    We discuss why artists are necessary and how they help us see more of God. The value of silence in our gatherings. The kinds of songs we need to be singing today. Why the predominant worship model today isn’t wrong, but inadequate.

    You can reach me anytime at [email protected]. Thank you for listening.

    Topics Covered:

    The difference between formation and experience in worship

    Why our current model of worship experiences isn’t wrong, but inadequate

    The value of silence in our gatherings

    Why we need artists in the church

    Creative ways to introduce silence, reflection, and community in our worship spaces

    The kinds of songs the church needs to be singing today

    Resources Mentioned:

    Show Sponsor: Planning Center

    Glimpses of the New Creation by W. David O. Taylor

    Show Sponsor:

    This episode is sponsored by Planning Center, an all-in-one church management software made to help churches help people. You can organize your ministries and keep everyone on your team communicating and aligned around what’s going on.

    As a worship leader, good communication is key to building a strong worship team. You can cultivate relationships while ensuring everyone has what they need to successfully prep for your services.

    But why not take it up a notch using the chat feature?

    Built right into the Services mobile app—which, by the way, you should totally download if you haven’t already—chat helps you coordinate all the service details with your team. Plus, you can have fun while doing it!

    No more juggling emails, group texts, and multiple apps to ensure your whole team is aligned. Chat will simplify your communication in one convenient place through the Services mobile app. And everyone can ask questions, request prayer, or join the banter in real-time with one another.

    The really cool part about chatting with your teams? Team members are dynamically added or removed from conversations as availability changes!

    So if your original bass player suddenly declines (why is it so hard to find a bass player, anyway?), your newly scheduled bass player is automatically added to the chat conversation.

    All of your chat conversations stay in sync. No more outdated group threads or irrelevant messages! So what are you waiting for? Download the Services app and start chatting!

    The post #382: Uncommon & Creative Ways to Reimagine Your Worship Services with W. David O. Taylor appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.
  • Beyond Sunday Worship Leader Podcast

    #381: Evangelicalism, Justice Work, And Red Letter Christianity with Brittany Packnett Cunningham

    20.01.2026 | 1 Std. 24 Min.
    We are living in interesting times if you’re a Christian in America. Open social media for a second on any given day and you can see outrage on one side and celebration on the other for those who follow Jesus.

    How are we supposed to navigate times like these?

    What are we supposed to believe? How are we supposed to think? What should followers of Jesus do in times like this?

    I don’t have all the answers, but I appreciate bold voices who help us make sense of the chaos. One of those voices is Brittany Packnett Cunningham.

    Brittany is an activist, an educator, a writer, and a leader who spends her time at the intersection of culture, justice, and policy. She doesn’t just live in the realm of lofty ideas, but is actively working to make life better for the most vulnerable in society. Brittany is also a Christian.

    In this conversation we talk about her faith journey. We share stories of my journey growing up in white evangelicalism and her first encounter with white evangelicalism.

    We talk about what it means to follow Jesus today. How our faith should influence our voting and our politics. No matter what side of the political spectrum you are on, Brittany has something to teach us if we’re willing to listen.

    This is David Santistevan and you can reach me anytime with questions, guest recommendations, complaints, or criticisms at [email protected]

    As always, thank you so much for listening.

    Topics Covered:

    Brittany’s faith tradition growing up

    The need for liberation theology and what it means for the local church

    The importance of unlearning and contextualizing theology

    Noticing how white supremacy undermines the prosperity of black people

    The defunding of HBCUs and what that means for black thriving in America

    What it means to be a red letter Christian

    Politics and faith

    The prophetic witness of the Black Church

    Resources Mentioned:

    Show Sponsor: Planning Center

    Brittany on Instagram

    Brittany on Threads

    Brittany’s Website

    The Black Church in the African American Experience by C. Eric Lincoln & Lawrence H. Mamiya

    Jesus And John Wayne by Kristen Kobes Du Mez

    Podcast cover art photography: https://www.bepureblack.com/

    Show Sponsor:

    This episode is sponsored by Planning Center, an all-in-one church management software made to help churches help people. You can organize your ministries and keep everyone on your team communicating and aligned around what’s going on.

    As a worship leader, good communication is key to building a strong worship team. You can cultivate relationships while ensuring everyone has what they need to successfully prep for your services.

    But why not take it up a notch using the chat feature?

    Built right into the Services mobile app—which, by the way, you should totally download if you haven’t already—chat helps you coordinate all the service details with your team. Plus, you can have fun while doing it!

    No more juggling emails, group texts, and multiple apps to ensure your whole team is aligned. Chat will simplify your communication in one convenient place through the Services mobile app. And everyone can ask questions, request prayer, or join the banter in real-time with one another.

    The really cool part about chatting with your teams? Team members are dynamically added or removed from conversations as availability changes!

    So if your original bass player suddenly declines (why is it so hard to find a bass player, anyway?), your newly scheduled bass player is automatically added to the chat conversation.

    All of your chat conversations stay in sync. No more outdated group threads or irrelevant messages! So what are you waiting for? Download the Services app and start chatting!

    The post #381: Evangelicalism, Justice Work, And Red Letter Christianity with Brittany Packnett Cunningham appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.
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    #380: Ministry For The Down & Out, The Discarded, And The Underdog with Calvin Nowell

    09.01.2026 | 1 Std. 14 Min.
    This is an episode for the ministry underdog. There are some unwritten, unhelpful rules about worship ministry and Christian music that we need to say out loud. You’re too old. Your voice isn’t strong enough. You’re too overweight. Your style isn’t what we’re going for. You can’t be the face of the ministry.

    Of course, we don’t say these things out loud, most of the time. But it appears that too often our modus operandi is to be attractive and impressive, beautiful. How are we going to sell the most records? Who is going to draw people to our church? The longer we operate with these cultural values, the more we sideline great leaders and harm them in the process. I’m not advocating anyone could be a worship leader. Obviously, there are skill standards. But how far is too far when it comes to talent, image, beauty, and age? At what point have we abandoned kingdom values for profit, power, and influence?

    Calvin Nowell is my guest today. Calvin is a songwriter, worship leader, and singer who has sung with many of the top names in Christian Music. Calvin also leads a diverse music collective called Aware Worship that is bringing awareness to the people side of ministry.

    This is vulnerable conversation. We talk about the dark sides of the industry, stigma in ministry, supporting the underdog, and looking for Jesus on the margins. Tears were shed. The presence of God was felt. Trust me, you will be encouraged.

    My name is David Santistevan. As always, thanks for listening. You can reach me anytime at [email protected].

    Topics Covered:

    Calvin’s journey as a worship leader

    The reality of starting music later in life

    Why we shouldn’t be afraid of frequent new songs

    Why diversity is important

    How the Christian music industry needs to change

    Why God still has a plan for you

    The struggle of weight and image as a worship leader

    Resources Mentioned:

    Show Sponsor: Planning Center

    Aware Worship

    Instagram.com/calvinnowell

    Show Sponsor:

    This episode is sponsored by Planning Center, an all-in-one church management software made to help churches help people. You can organize your ministries and keep everyone on your team communicating and aligned around what’s going on.

    As a worship leader, good communication is key to building a strong worship team. You can cultivate relationships while ensuring everyone has what they need to successfully prep for your services.

    But why not take it up a notch using the chat feature?

    Built right into the Services mobile app—which, by the way, you should totally download if you haven’t already—chat helps you coordinate all the service details with your team. Plus, you can have fun while doing it!

    No more juggling emails, group texts, and multiple apps to ensure your whole team is aligned. Chat will simplify your communication in one convenient place through the Services mobile app. And everyone can ask questions, request prayer, or join the banter in real-time with one another.

    The really cool part about chatting with your teams? Team members are dynamically added or removed from conversations as availability changes!

    So if your original bass player suddenly declines (why is it so hard to find a bass player, anyway?), your newly scheduled bass player is automatically added to the chat conversation.

    All of your chat conversations stay in sync. No more outdated group threads or irrelevant messages! So what are you waiting for? Download the Services app and start chatting!

    The post #380: Ministry For The Down & Out, The Discarded, And The Underdog with Calvin Nowell appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

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David Santistevan from the popular davidsantistevan.com blog dives into the heart of worship leading, worship ministry, songwriting, and making disciples. Discover how you can take your worship leadership to the next level through practical teaching, expert interviews, and the latest resources for worship leaders. From developing a discipleship strategy, engaging your congregation, writing your own songs, leading your best worship, and so much more, this podcast will help you become the worship leader you are called to be.
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