The Pomp Podcast

Chris Kline is the COO & Co-Founder of Bitcoin IRA. In this conversation, we discuss how wealthy investors use retirement accounts to reduce taxes, why volatility can create opportunities like Roth conversions, and the mistakes people make by holding assets in the wrong account. We also cover bitcoin in retirement portfolios, estate planning strategies, and how macro conditions like inflation, deflation, and Fed policy may impact long-term asset allocation.
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0:00 - Intro
1:55 – How to use the tax code to get in better position
2:51 – How 401(k)s replaced pensions (why it mattered) 
6:20 – Tax advantages of non-W2 income & retirement accounts 
9:08 – Long-term asset allocation & bitcoin in retirement 
13:12 – Using Roth conversions during bitcoin drawdowns 
21:10 – How taxes create massive long-term performance drag 
22:39 – Borrowing against bitcoin instead of selling 
28:29 – Inflation, deflation, & why government data lags reality 
33:15 – What macro headwinds mean for assets and portfolios 
36:38 – Bitcoin IRA tools, incentives, & next steps

Matt Cole is the CEO of Strive Asset Management, and Jeff Park is a Partner & Chief Investment Officer at ProCap Financial. This conversation was recorded live at Bitcoin Investor Week in New York. In this conversation, we break down why bitcoin’s volatility doesn’t change the long-term story, how institutions think about drawdowns, and what today’s Fed policy could mean for bitcoin and other risk assets. We also touch on digital credit, bitcoin-backed yield, and why volatility may actually be one of bitcoin’s biggest advantages for long-term investors.
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0:00 - Intro
0:15 - Bitcoin volatility & Kevin Warsh impact
4:19 - QE, deflation, & monetary regime change
12:09 - The rise of digital credit & why bear markets build institutional track records 
18:39 - Bitcoin treasury strategies & yield generation

Bo Hines is the CEO of Tether US and a former White House crypto advisor who helped shape U.S. digital-asset policy during a critical moment for the industry. This conversation was recorded live at Bitcoin Investor Week in New York. In this conversation, we discuss Bo’s work in the White House on crypto policy, including the Strategic Bitcoin Reserve, the GENIUS Act, and the push for regulatory clarity. We also cover stablecoin adoption, why UX matters more than yield, how Tether is connecting global markets to U.S. capital, and why stablecoins could be the on-ramp to the next phase of bitcoin and financial infrastructure.
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Arch Public is an agentic trading platform that automates the buying and selling of your preferred crypto strategies. Sign up today at https://www.archpublic.com and start your automated trading strategy for free. No catch. No hidden fees. Just smarter trading.
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0:00 - Intro
0:19 - White House crypto policy & Bo Hines’ role
2:52 - How important is the Clarity Act?
4:10 - Tether: scale, growth & global impact
10:49 - Stablecoin yield debate
12:37 - Financial access, wallets & the unbanked
14:19 - Tether’s relationship with Bitcoin
15:46 - Reserves, transparency & risk
17:24 - Interoperability & the future of stablecoins

Caitlin Long is the founder and CEO of Custodia Bank and a pioneer at the intersection of traditional finance and crypto. This conversation was recorded live at Bitcoin Investor Week in New York. In this conversation, we break down stablecoins, tokenized deposits, and U.S. banking regulation, explaining why stablecoins were pushed outside the banking system and how tokenized dollars could reshape payments and markets. We also discusses custody risk, bank account closures, bitcoin ETFs, and the key barriers still slowing crypto’s integration into traditional finance.
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Bitget (⁠https://bitget.com/promotion/futures-tradfi?channelCode=regd&vipCode=nkew⁠) is the world's largest Universal Exchange (UEX) (⁠https://bitget.com/promotion/futures-tradfi?channelCode=regd&vipCode=nkew⁠), serving over 125 million users with access to over 2M+ crypto tokens, and TradFi markets such as 100+ tokenized stocks, ETFs, commodities, FX and precious metal like Gold. At launch, users can trade 79 instruments with USDT directly with the App. Users can also enjoy high liquidity and low slippage, while trading these assets with up to 500x leverage. For more information on Bitget TradFi, visit this article (⁠https://bitget.com/support/articles/12560603846859⁠). For more information, visit: Website (⁠https://bitget.com/⁠) | Twitter (⁠https://x.com/bitget⁠) | Telegram (⁠https://t.me/BitgetENOfficial⁠) | LinkedIn (⁠https://linkedin.com/company/bitget-global/⁠) | Discord (⁠https://discord.com/invite/bitget⁠)For media inquiries, please contact: [email protected]
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Simple Mining makes Bitcoin mining simple and accessible for everyone. We offer a premium white glove hosting service, helping you maximize the profitability of Bitcoin mining. For more information on Simple Mining or to get started mining Bitcoin, visit ⁠https://www.simplemining.io/⁠
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Arch Public is an agentic trading platform that automates the buying and selling of your preferred crypto strategies. Sign up today at ⁠https://www.archpublic.com⁠ and start your automated trading strategy for free. No catch. No hidden fees. Just smarter trading.
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0:00 - Intro
0:24 - Stablecoins, regulation & government control 
4:00 - Bridging tradfi & crypto, bank closures 
6:16 - How tokenization plays into all of this 
8:05 -  Bitcoin, custody risk & “not your keys” 
9:51 - Bitcoin vs Gold
14:06 - What are some big milestones left?
15:28 - 7 Network Effects of Bitcoin: where are we now?
18:59 - Big banks, infrastructure risk & legacy systems 
22:09 - What is next for Custodia Bank?

Jordi Visser is a veteran macro investor with over 30 years of market experience and the author of VisserLabs Substack. In this episode, we break down what’s happening in software stocks, credit markets, and bitcoin — including how bitcoin could benefit in both inflationary and deflationary environments. We also explore real-world AI adoption, capital shifts, and a few surprising insights Jordi didn’t see coming.
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Bitget (https://bitget.com/promotion/futures-tradfi?channelCode=regd&vipCode=nkew) is the world's largest Universal Exchange (UEX) (https://bitget.com/promotion/futures-tradfi?channelCode=regd&vipCode=nkew), serving over 125 million users with access to over 2M+ crypto tokens, and TradFi markets such as 100+ tokenized stocks, ETFs, commodities, FX and precious metal like Gold. At launch, users can trade 79 instruments with USDT directly with the App. Users can also enjoy high liquidity and low slippage, while trading these assets with up to 500x leverage. For more information on Bitget TradFi, visit this article (https://bitget.com/support/articles/12560603846859). For more information, visit: Website (https://bitget.com/) | Twitter (https://x.com/bitget) | Telegram (https://t.me/BitgetENOfficial) | LinkedIn (https://linkedin.com/company/bitget-global/) | Discord (https://discord.com/invite/bitget)
For media inquiries, please contact: [email protected]
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Simple Mining makes Bitcoin mining simple and accessible for everyone. We offer a premium white glove hosting service, helping you maximize the profitability of Bitcoin mining. For more information on Simple Mining or to get started mining Bitcoin, visit https://www.simplemining.io/
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Arch Public is an agentic trading platform that automates the buying and selling of your preferred crypto strategies. Sign up today at https://www.archpublic.com and start your automated trading strategy for free. No catch. No hidden fees. Just smarter trading.
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0:00 - Intro
0:51 - Breaking down deflation & macro environment 
5:49 - Why deflation pushes money into scarce assets
12:40 - Software stocks, AI, & multiple compression
18:45 - Why public companies may disappear
20:35 - Tokenization, RWAs, & on-chain markets
25:45 - What “agent swarms” actually are & security risks 
38:42 - AI apps anyone can build & how to use AI
40:48 - Private credit stress & Blue Owl
49:45 - What Jordi is covering next