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• Rust Is Overrated w/ Naman Goel

  This week, Robbie and Adam talk with Naman Goel about the origins and evolution of StyleX, how it integrates with React and other frameworks, and the pros and cons of different programming languages like Rust, TypeScript, and Swift. They dive into the challenges of building performant, type-safe styling systems, the surprising complexity of theme APIs, designing for developer experience, and more. In this episode: (00:00) - Intro (02:26) - Whiskey rating & review: Glenfiddich 12 Year Old single malt Scotch (09:13) - South Park, spy thrillers & sleeper hits you missed (11:20) - Flow vs TypeScript (14:59) - How CSS shaped Naman’s perspective on type systems (18:45) - How StyleX works—and why it’s different from Tailwind (21:02) - Tailwind Merge vs StyleX props: performance smackdown (22:16) - Real-world use case: when and why you’d want to merge styles (25:45) - Inside the making of StyleX and its powerful theming system (32:56) - Robbie and Adam wrangle Vue transitions in Astro (36:09) - GIF or JIF? SPA or “spa”? (40:36) - Building StarPod.dev: streaming audio across pages (42:30) - Can you reduce client-side router noise? (46:03) - Should you spec your idea or just blog it? (47:18) - Naman’s journey into writing web specs (48:44) - What is link delegation? (52:39) - Hot Take: Is Rust overrated? (01:02:17) - The dream language Naman wishes someone would build (01:04:57) - Are AI-generated programming languages just around the corner? (01:05:53) - A spicy take on CSS syntax and readability (01:06:27) - Is CSS finally catching up to StyleX? (01:07:43) - Plugs & where to follow Naman Links Glenfiddich 12 Year Old single malt Scotch: https://shop.us.glenfiddich.com/products/glenfiddich-12-year-old South Park: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Park Dungeons & Dragons: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dungeons_&_Dragons Alien Earth: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien:_Earth Ozark: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozark_(TV_series) Jason Bateman: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Bateman Black Rabbit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Rabbit Slow Horses: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slow_Horses Slow Horses: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slow_Horses Typescript: https://www.typescriptlang.org/ StyleX: https://stylexjs.com/ React: https://react.dev/ Tailwind CSS: https://tailwindcss.com/ SolidJS: https://www.solidjs.com/ Svelte: https://svelte.dev/ Vue: https://vuejs.org/ Astro: https://astro.build/ QuickJS: https://github.com/quickjs-ng/quickjs Ember: https://emberjs.com/ Angular: https://angular.dev/ Vanilla Extract: https://vanilla-extract.style/ Chrome: https://www.google.com/chrome/ PHP: https://www.php.net/ Figma: https://www.figma.com/ Theme UI: https://theme-ui.com/ Stitches: https://stitches.dev/ Starpod.dev: https://starpod.dev/ Shopify: https://www.shopify.com/ Rails: https://rubyonrails.org/ Livewire: https://laravel-livewire.com/ Jason Miller - Application Holotypes: A Guide to Architecture Decisions: https://jasonformat.com/application-holotypes/ morphdom: https://github.com/patrick-steele-idem/morphdom HTMX: https://htmx.org/ React Miami: https://www.reactmiami.com/ CSS-Tricks: https://css-tricks.com/ Swift: https://www.swift.org/ Python: https://www.python.org/ C++: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/cpp Go: https://go.dev/ esbuild: https://esbuild.github.io/ OCaml: https://ocaml.org/ Prettier: https://prettier.io/ Haskell: https://www.haskell.org/ Elm: https://elm-lang.org/ CoffeeScript: http://coffeescript.org/ LightningScript: https://lightningscript.dev/ Anthropic: https://www.anthropic.com/ Chris Coyier: https://x.com/chriscoyier React Summit: https://reactsummit.com/ Solenoid: https://github.com/nmn/solenoid Connect with Naman Website: https://nmn.sh/ X / Twitter: https://x.com/naman34 Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/nmn.bsky.social Connect with the hosts Robbie Wagner: https://x.com/RobbieTheWagner Chuck Carpenter: https://x.com/CharlesWthe3rd Adam Argyle: https://x.com/argyleink Subscribe and stay in touch Website: https://whiskey.fm Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/whiskey-web-and-whatnot/id1552776603 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/19jiuHAqzeKnkleQUpZxDf Overcast: https://overcast.fm/itunes1552776603 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhiskeyWebAndWhatnot Whiskey Web and Whatnot MerchEnjoying the podcast and want us to make more? Help support us by picking up some of our fresh merch at https://whiskey.fund.

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• Is CSS a Programming Language? w/ Kevin Powell

  This week, Robbie and Adam talk with Kevin Powell about the quirks and complexities of CSS, from Tailwind and Flexbox to AI’s failure to write decent styles. While sipping some Crown Royal Black, they dig into weird web history, emerging CSS specs, toast milestones, and the beauty of clean code. In this episode: (00:00) - Intro (02:51) - Whiskey rating & review: Crown Royal Black (07:54) - Hot Take: Is CSS a programming language? (09:54) - Hot Take: Was CSS-in-JS a mistake? (10:53) - Hot Take: Grid vs Flexbox (12:31) - Hot Take: Tailwind vs vanilla CSS? (16:05) - Kevin's favorite place to write CSS (17:45) - What CSS feature scares Kevin the most? (19:20) - Kevin's first CSS pre-processor (22:40) - CSS features that are taking too long to ship (27:22) - text-box-trim vs margin-trim (29:53) - Why attr() is a game-changer for CSS (31:18) - NPM package chaos and security concerns (32:16) - The “billion laughs” CSS attack (33:19) - Why can't AI write CSS? (36:52) - Wake-and-bake? Kevin’s sourdough & kombucha hobby (38:42) - Kevin’s homebrewing and water shortage woes (40:28) - Hobbies, football, and making time for fun (42:44) - What would Kevin do if not in tech? (44:41) - Kevin's favorite CSS typo (45:58) - Rebuilding Tailwind from scratch (46:53) - Vanilla CSS vs. Tailwind: Who wins a coding race? (50:08) - Plugs Links Crown Royal Black: https://www.crownroyal.com/canadian-whisky/crown-royal-black All Things Open: https://allthingsopen.org/ General Musings: https://www.youtube.com/@GeneralMusings Frontend Masters: https://frontendmasters.com/ Shopify: https://www.shopify.com/ Ken Wheeler: https://x.com/ken_wheeler/ JavaScript: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript Figma: https://www.figma.com/ CSS Grid: https://www.w3schools.com/css/css_grid.asp Flexbox: https://www.w3schools.com/css/css3_flexbox.asp Tailwind CSS: https://tailwindcss.com/ Grok: https://grok.com/ CodePen: https://codepen.io/ VS Code: https://code.visualstudio.com Emmet: https://emmet.io/ Vue: https://vuejs.org/ Saas: https://sass-lang.com/ Stylus: https://www.npmjs.com/package/stylus TypeScript: https://www.typescriptlang.org/ CoffeeScript: http://coffeescript.org/ Sarah Soueidan: https://twitter.com/SaraSoueidan Shepherd: https://www.shepherdjs.dev/ NPM: https://www.npmjs.com/ Swatch: https://swatch.dev/ Colorzilla: https://www.colorzilla.com/ TinyColor: https://bgrins.github.io/TinyColor/ CrowdStrike: https://www.crowdstrike.com/ Ember: https://emberjs.com/ GitHub: https://github.com/ Chris Coyier: https://x.com/chriscoyier Virginia Tech: https://www.vt.edu/ The Eagles: https://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/ Saquon Barkley: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saquon_Barkley Adam Wathan: https://x.com/adamwathan/ Kevin on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/kevinpowell Connect with Kevin Website: https://www.kevinpowell.co/ Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/kevinpowell.co Courses: https://www.kevinpowell.co/courses/ Connect with the hosts Robbie Wagner: https://x.com/RobbieTheWagner Chuck Carpenter: https://x.com/CharlesWthe3rd Adam Argyle: https://x.com/argyleink Subscribe and stay in touch Website: https://whiskey.fm Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/whiskey-web-and-whatnot/id1552776603 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/19jiuHAqzeKnkleQUpZxDf Overcast: https://overcast.fm/itunes1552776603 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhiskeyWebAndWhatnot Whiskey Web and Whatnot MerchEnjoying the podcast and want us to make more? Help support us by picking up some of our fresh merch at https://whiskey.fund.

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• TalkShop Show w/ Macho Man Randy Standards

  This week, Robbie and Adam talk with Dave "Macho Man Randy Standards" Rupert about whiskey, web culture, and the quirks of building side projects. They dive into the shifting landscape of the web—AI-driven development, spec-driven workflows, RSS’s decline, and the joy (and pain) of creative tinkering. In this episode:(00:00) - Intro(03:21) - Whiskey rating and review: Suntory World Whiskey Ao(16:30) - Is the open web in decline?(17:16) - How we search and learn in 2025(22:31) - Discovering Strudel(24:44) - Dave’s Strudel vibe-coding experiment(27:15) - The promise and limits of AI in programming(28:39) - Getting into spec-driven development(34:11) - The pain of publishing apps(36:51) - Weird camera quirks across platforms(40:19) - Could you code on a horse?(41:35) - Voice-based vibe-coding(42:45) - Making coding approachable for kids(45:54) - Side hustles and money outside tech(52:04) - Dave's shoutout to Storybook(58:49) - Plugs Links ShopTalk Show: https://shoptalkshow.com/ Suntory World Whiskey Ao: https://house.suntory.com/ao-whisky Jim Beam Pineapple: https://www.jimbeam.com/en-us/bourbons/jim-beam-pineapple Descript: https://www.descript.com/ Taco Bell Chili Cheese Burrito: https://www.tacobell.com/newsroom/taco-bell-rewinds-to-the-2000s-with-decades-y2k-menu-featuring-iconic-fan McDonald's McRib: https://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en-us/product/mcrib.html Pringles: https://www.pringles.com/ JavaScript: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript Astro: https://astro.build/ Vue: https://vuejs.org/ Svelte: https://svelte.dev/ Mitosis: https://github.com/BuilderIO/mitosis React: https://react.dev/ SolidJS: https://www.solidjs.com/ Trent Walton: https://trentwalton.com/ CSS: https://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/ Google Amp: https://developers.google.com/amp Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/ The Verge: https://www.theverge.com Google Amp: https://developers.google.com/amp Kottke: https://kottke.org/ GitHub: https://github.com/ Strudel: https://strudel.cc/ Lincoln Park: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linkin_Park Microsoft: https://www.microsoft.com/ Copilot: https://github.com/features/copilot Bolt: https://bolt.new/ Lovable: https://lovable.dev/ Cursor: https://www.cursor.com/ Deloitte: https://www.deloitte.com/ Intel: https://www.intel.com/ Coder: https://coder.com/ Kiro: https://kiro.dev/ Peppeteer: https://pptr.dev/ Electron: https://www.electronjs.org/ MacOS: https://www.apple.com/macos/ Linux: https://www.linux.org/ Fuji: https://global.fujifilm.com/ Lomography: https://www.lomography.com iPad: https://www.apple.com/ipad/ Vim: https://www.vim.org/ Warp Code video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3jFHfIvyf8 Pico 8: https://www.lexaloffle.com/pico-8.php Lua: https://www.lua.org/ COBOL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COBOL Spike LEGO Education: https://spike.legoeducation.com/ South Park: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Park Jeff Bezos: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Bezos Elon Musk: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk Home Depot: https://www.homedepot.com/ Hassle Free Home: https://myhasslefreehome.com/ Storybook: https://storybook.js.org/ Brad Frost: https://x.com/brad_frost Riverside: https://riverside.com/ FAST: https://fast.design/ Obsidian: https://obsidian.md/ Notion: https://www.notion.com/ All Thing Open: https://2025.allthingsopen.org/ Connect with Dave Website: https://daverupert.com/ Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/davatron5000.bsky.social Connect with the hosts Robbie Wagner: https://x.com/RobbieTheWagner Chuck Carpenter: https://x.com/CharlesWthe3rd Adam Argyle: https://x.com/argyleink Subscribe and stay in touch Website: https://whiskey.fm Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/whiskey-web-and-whatnot/id1552776603 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/19jiuHAqzeKnkleQUpZxDf Overcast: https://overcast.fm/itunes1552776603 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhiskeyWebAndWhatnot Whiskey Web and Whatnot MerchEnjoying the podcast and want us to make more? Help support us by picking up some of our fresh merch at https://whiskey.fund.

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• Agents of Chaos: Whiskey Experiments and the Future of IDEs

  This week, Chuck and Adam talk about flavored whiskeys, offbeat experiments, and the chaos of tech culture. They discuss AI workflows, Warp vs. IDE debates, and the realities of coding culture, from bleeding-edge hype to WordPress drudgery. Plus, Chuck shares updates on life in Italy. In this episode: (00:00) - Intro (03:33) - Whiskey rating and review: Jack Daniel's Tennessee Apple and Honey (13:57) – Experimenting with mixing whiskeys (18:16) – Honey on the rim: a sweet idea? (19:15) – Food, culture, and Chuck’s life in Italy (28:44) – FOMO on agents and AI hype (31:32) – Current AI workflows (32:04) – Warp Code update and its bizarre promo video (37:27) – IDEs vs. plugins: what’s the future? (44:29) – Chuck and Adam on their current jobs Links Jack Daniel's Tennessee Apple: https://www.jackdaniels.com/whiskey/tennessee-apple Jack Daniel's Tennessee Honey: https://www.jackdaniels.com/en-us/whiskey/tennessee-honey MythBusters: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MythBusters Jim Beam Pineapple: https://www.jimbeam.com/en-us/bourbons/jim-beam-pineapple Wild Turkey American Honey: https://www.americanhoney.com/ Hudson House Distillery: https://www.thehudsonhouseny.com/ Burt Bacharach: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burt_Bacharach Mike's Hot Honey: https://mikeshothoney.com/ Claude Code: https://claude.com/product/claude-code Windsurf: https://windsurf.ai/ Cursor: https://www.cursor.com/ Warp: https://www.warp.dev/ LM Studio: https://lmstudio.ai Mac Mini: https://www.apple.com/mac-mini/ Opencode: https://opencode.ai/ Dax: https://x.com/thdxr/ Warp Code: https://www.warp.dev/blog/introducing-warp-code-prompt-to-prod Zed: https://zed.dev/ WordPress: https://wordpress.org Django: https://www.djangoproject.com/ Joomla: https://www.joomla.org/ JavaScript: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript Rust: https://www.rust-lang.org/ BMW: https://www.bmwusa.com/ Tesla: https://www.tesla.com/ Shopify: https://www.shopify.com/ Remix: https://remix.run/ React: https://react.dev/ Darknet Diaries: https://darknetdiaries.com/ Jack Rhysider: https://x.com/jackrhysider All Thing Open: https://2025.allthingsopen.org/ Connect with the hosts Robbie Wagner: https://x.com/RobbieTheWagner Chuck Carpenter: https://x.com/CharlesWthe3rd Adam Argyle: https://x.com/argyleink Subscribe and stay in touch Website: https://whiskey.fm Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/whiskey-web-and-whatnot/id1552776603 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/19jiuHAqzeKnkleQUpZxDf Overcast: https://overcast.fm/itunes1552776603 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhiskeyWebAndWhatnot Whiskey Web and Whatnot MerchEnjoying the podcast and want us to make more? Help support us by picking up some of our fresh merch at https://whiskey.fund.

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• DevRel, Linux, and the Shrinking Path for Junior Developers w/ Ali Diamond

  This week, Robbie and Chuck talk with Ali Diamond about her journey through tech, cybersecurity, and community building. They sip tequila, swap hot takes on programming languages and developer culture, and dig into the realities of junior engineering paths, DevRel’s evolution, and how passion—not tools—shapes meaningful work. In this episode: (00:00) - Intro (02:39) - Tequila rating & review: Espolon Tequila Blanco (13:46) - From tequila to other favorite drinks (16:11) - Hot Take: Why junior engineers should focus on - fundamentals (18:57) - Hot Take: MacOS or Linux? (22:25) - Ali’s take on Linux flavors (and her own twist) (25:22) - Hot Take: Is DevRel really dead? (27:28) - Software developer vs. software engineer: does it matter? (31:45) - Hot Take: Rails vs Laravel (35:14) - The shrinking path for junior developers (47:34) - Life outside coding: Ali’s passions and projects (54:34) - Ali’s journey into tech and family background (57:40) - Plugs & where to find Ali online Links Espolon Tequila Blanco: https://www.espolontequila.com/ Minecraft: https://www.minecraft.net/ Java: https://www.java.com/ Lua: https://www.lua.org/ Spindrift: https://drinkspindrift.com/ Costco: https://www.costco.com All Things Open: https://allthingsopen.org/ The Net Gala: https://x.com/_thenetgala 1942 Tequila: https://www.donjulio.com/our-tequilas/don-julio-1942-tequila Clase Azul: https://claseazul.com/ Fresca Mixed: https://www.frescamixed.com/ LaCroix: https://www.lacroixwater.com/ Diet Coke: https://www.coca-cola.com/us/en/brands/diet-coke Monster: https://www.monsterenergy.com/ Celsius: https://www.celsius.com/ Django: https://www.djangoproject.com/ Rails: https://rubyonrails.org/ MacOS: https://www.apple.com/macos/ Linux: https://www.linux.org/ Andriod: https://www.android.com/ iPhone: https://www.apple.com/iphone/ Vim: https://www.vim.org/ VS Code: https://code.visualstudio.com/ Omarchy: https://omarchy.org/ DHH: https://x.com/dhh/ Arch Linux: https://archlinux.org/ Debian: https://www.debian.org/ Ubuntu: https://ubuntu.com/ Kali: https://www.kali.org/ Twitch: https://twitch.tv CactusCon: https://www.cactuscon.com/ Ep 114: Privacy, Cyber Crime Stories, and Tech with Jack Rhysider: https://whiskey.fm/privacy-cyber-crime-stories-and-tech-with-jack-rhysider Laravel: https://laravel.com/ PHP: https://www.php.net/ Scala: https://www.scala-lang.org/ Guillermo Rauch: https://x.com/rauchg Vercel: https://vercel.com/ Taylor Otwell: https://x.com/taylorotwell Walmart: https://www.walmart.com/ WordPress: https://wordpress.org React: https://react.dev/ LeetCode: https://leetcode.com/ NPM: https://www.npmjs.com/ Mark Zuckerberg: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Zuckerberg Mad Money: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_Money Bill Gates: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Gates Microsoft: https://www.microsoft.com/ Kubernetes: https://kubernetes.io/ YAML: https://yaml.org/ Smiski: https://smiski.com/ Brandon Sanderson: https://www.brandonsanderson.com/ Game of Thrones: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_of_Thrones Lore Olympus: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lore_Olympus Webtoon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webtoon Invincible: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invincible_(TV_series) The Boys: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boys_(TV_series) Burning Man: https://burningman.org/ Coachella: https://www.coachella.com/ Nine Inch Nails: https://www.nin.com/ Go: https://go.dev/ MIT: https://www.mit.edu Pokemon Go: https://pokemongolive.com/ Stanford University: https://www.stanford.edu/ UC Berkeley: https://www.berkeley.edu/ Harvard University: https://www.harvard.edu/ Connect with Ali Website: https://ali.dev/ X / Twitter: https://x.com/endingwithali Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/endingwithali YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@hak5 Connect with the hosts Robbie Wagner: https://x.com/RobbieTheWagner Chuck Carpenter: https://x.com/CharlesWthe3rd Adam Argyle: https://x.com/argyleink Subscribe and stay in touch Website: https://whiskey.fm Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/whiskey-web-and-whatnot/id1552776603 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/19jiuHAqzeKnkleQUpZxDf Overcast: https://overcast.fm/itunes1552776603 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhiskeyWebAndWhatnot Whiskey Web and Whatnot MerchEnjoying the podcast and want us to make more? Help support us by picking up some of our fresh merch at https://whiskey.fund.

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