Wine Talks with Paul K.

Georgian wines have been around...well, I suppose over 6000 years. In fact, it is a disputed fact between the Armenians and the Georgians as to which country made wine first. The best analysis I can come up with is that 6100 years ago, when what is now called Areni 1 Cave located in Armenia was established, there was no Georgia and there was no Armenia, but regardless, the disageement lives on.
Georgian wines have been in the US since I can remember. At least since the '80's. And back then they carried a pecular, indigenous character; earthy, ozidized and cloudy. That has all changed but the history. A politician turned wine guy is trying to change the perception of Georgian wine...Melory Tsipouria. Listen to him tell his story.
When I first sat down with Mallory Zippor, I realized he wasn't just a guest—he was a force of nature. Imagine a man who's fought for his country's democracy, worked in Congress, and now deploys that same relentless spirit to put Georgian wine on the American map. Mallory Zippor doesn't just sell wine; he crafts a movement—one handshake, one tasting, one story at a time. You'll hear him lay out his vision with the same confidence he used to take four congressional delegations to Georgia, making it clear that introducing 8,000 years of winemaking tradition in a land where most people haven't even heard of his homeland is not for the faint of heart. This isn't your average wine conversation. It's a blueprint for making the future, not waiting for it.
Over the course of our conversation, I watched as Mallory Zippor demystified not only the process of importing and advocating for a little-known wine region, but the uniquely personal approaches that set him apart. He's rocked 300 in-store tastings in just eight months, recruited family and friends into his passionate crew, and outmaneuvered corporate gatekeepers at every turn. He has a knack for turning an ignorant "I didn't even know Georgia was a country!" into genuine curiosity, using everything from ancient clay amphorae to vivid bottle artwork, all while keeping his wines affordable and intensely personal. As Mallory Zippor tells it, with every taste poured, a new ambassador is born—a theory he's putting to the test every single day.
If you join me for this episode, here's what you'll discover, one clay pot at a time:
🏺 What makes Georgian wine "the birthplace of wine," and how 500 indigenous varietals survived centuries of empires and the Soviet machine

🏺 How 300 grassroots tastings outshine digital marketing and create lasting relationships—one poured glass at a time

🏺 The role of ancient clay amphorae in crafting both orange (amber) and red wines, and why American palates are finally catching on

🏺 Why clean, natural wines with minimal intervention are more than a health trend—they're a strategic advantage in today's market

🏺 How educating store staff and restaurant crews is the secret weapon for making "impossible-to-pronounce" wines into local favorites

🏺 What it really takes to punch through massive industry headwinds, from bypassing distributors to scaling a personal vision from one store to 300

You'll come away not only knowing more about Georgian wine, but inspired by the sheer persistence, creativity, and human touch it takes to make a cultural dent in the world's most crowded wine market.
YouTube: https://youtu.be/rQ6oTcBY584

Wine Talks had tried...tried to get Ms. Anson on the show. But being the quintessential author and historian of the vineyards and wines of Bordeaux, it took a bit of scheduling. Jane Anson is the real thing. And we could have spoken for hours. She is elegant, articulate and whimisical all in one person. We already know it takes pure passion of story telling to write about wine and to study wine, but to roll into her skill set, the previously mentioned human qualities, is quite rare.
If you want the real story behind a bottle of Bordeaux, don't ask the winemaker—take a look in their cellar, says Jane Anson, and see if all they drink is their own wine. That's the kind of sharp, behind-the-label wisdom I promised you when I sat down with Jane Anson, someone who knows this region not as a myth or a brand, but as a living, breathing place. She's spent twenty years in Bordeaux, weaving her own story through the halls of opulent first growths and the quiet perseverance of family-owned estates feeling the squeeze of a world in flux. Her take? Bordeaux isn't just a catalogue of big names and gilded bottles—it's where history, ego, weather, and inheritance all seem to collide in every vintage.
In this conversation, Jane Anson and I dig deep into what it means to live and work in Bordeaux right now. You'll hear how the region has shrunk from a teeming 8,000 châteaux down to just 4,000, and what that upheaval actually looks like for the people on the ground—farmers, families, the next generation of winemakers. Jane Anson bursts the myth of Bordeaux as nothing but luxury, sharing stories that move from $10 bottles to legendary labels, always circling back to the truth that wine's real magic is in human connection, stories, and sharing a bottle at the table.
You won't just learn about grape varietals, classifications, or price tags. In this episode, you'll get Jane Anson's inside perspective on Bordeaux's beating heart—where architecture, history, and living memory are the real terroir. Here's what you'll take away from my conversation with Jane Anson:
🍷 The insider's guide to Bordeaux's transformation—from thousands of châteaux shuttering to the new wave of authentic wine tourism
🍷 How the arrival of outside investors (from China, America, and beyond) has disrupted and enriched the story of Bordeaux
🍷 The role technology and AI now play in wine storytelling, and why the most important stories still come from real people
🍷 What makes a great winemaker (here's a hint: their cellar holds more than just their own bottles)
🍷 Why, in an age of noise and speed, people, relationships, and shared drinks still matter most
If you want to understand Bordeaux—what it was, is, and could be—I promise this is an episode you can't afford to miss.
YouTube: https://youtu.be/zawVPjOnm24

The idea of food and wine pairing is elusive at best. If you gave five Sommeliers the same dish and a host of wines to pair with the dish, you could very easily get five different suggestions. I know for me, when I pair wine and food, my first ideas usually don't work. Enter Dr. Peter Klosse and his research.
 
If you've ever stared at a wine list or picked up a tasting note and thought, "There's got to be a better way to make sense of all this," then this episode of Wine Talks is for you. Paul K sits down with Peter Klosse, the Dutch chef and flavor scientist who's shaking the very foundation of how we talk about taste. What unfolds is an insightful, casual, and story-rich conversation that bridges the wide and sometimes intimidating gap between what we like to eat and drink—and why we like it in the first place.
Peter, who founded the Academy of Gastronomy and has worked with everyone from Michelin-star restaurants to academic researchers, brings forward the argument that taste doesn't have to be mysterious or completely subjective. He outlines how measurable factors—molecules, acidity, and something he elegantly calls "mouthfeel"—can, and should, inform how we approach both food and wine. Gone are the days of rigid regional traditions and cryptic sommelier speak. Instead, Peter's methods empower anyone, from the everyday wine lover to the master chef, to connect with wine and food on a deeper level.
The episode is peppered with from-the-trenches anecdotes: Paul recounts customer calls from Europe, diners who try to recapture that perfect vacation meal at home, and the generational tug-of-war over wine language. Peter's responses never fail to surprise, elegantly reframing frustration into scientific curiosity and actionable tools. He's not out to replace the magic of a great meal—just to help everyone understand and repeat it, whether it's in a three-star restaurant or at your own dinner table.
What's especially exciting is how Peter breaks down the concept of "liking" into something actionable. He describes how chefs and hosts can tailor dishes to individual preferences using the simple, science-based tools his research has uncovered. By the time the show wraps, you'll have a new lens for your next glass of wine, and a deeper appreciation for the art-meets-science at the center of every great meal.
What you'll learn in this episode:
🍷 The scientific basis for taste—how measurable qualities like acidity, sweetness, and mouthfeel define your wine experience

🍷 The concepts of contracting, coating, and drying, and how they simplify understanding both wine and food

🍷 Why harmonious pairings create a pleasurable reaction in your brain, backed by neuroscience and neuroaesthetics

🍷 How to move beyond intimidating jargon and regional traditions and focus on what really matters in your glass

🍷 Practical tools for personalizing wine and food pairings—so you can create memorable experiences for yourself and your guests

YouTube: https://youtu.be/RefUgOHBXuE

I find her refreshing. I find her intriguing. I find her wise: In wine.
Natalie brings to the proverbial table an unabashed view of wine and she will tell you like it is. 
I have to tell you that having Natalie McLean on the show was one of those times where you know you could just keep talking for hours, and still barely scratch the surface. From the moment she cracked her opening line about starting to drink when she met her husband—"and haven't found a reason to stop"—I knew we were in for an episode rich in anecdotes, laughter, and real insight into the world of wine and the people orbiting it. I love a guest who doesn't take themselves too seriously, especially when that guest has the credentials and accolades to do so if they wanted.
Right off the bat, the story of how Natalie McLean first dipped her toe—well, her glass—into wine was classic. The ex-husband, the MBA couple, and the journey through Spanish classes, golf, and finally onto wine studies left me grinning. You know, everyone's path to wine is different, but hers, starting with a night course in Toronto after failed golf and Spanish efforts, reminded me that for every over-serious sommelier out there, there's a person who just wanted to relax after work and stumbled into a passion.
And let me tell you, Natalie McLean didn't just dip in; she cannonballed. I was genuinely impressed with the way she described her wine education—full sommelier diploma, authoring books like Red, White, and Drunk All Over, and racking up James Beard awards along the way. But what I really admire is her ability to bring it all down to earth. She calls herself the "Chief of Wine Happiness," which put an instant smile on my face—because at the end of the day, isn't that what a great bottle is supposed to do?
There's this refreshing honesty in Natalie McLean about wine's intimidating side. I shared my own blunders—forgetting wine for family Easter, wandering into the market like any other consumer, grabbing a brand and sometimes striking out. She had her own: sweating bullets in a restaurant interview, staring at a wine list, and famously ordering a Cabernet with Dover sole at a big consulting dinner. Didn't get the job, but it sparked that classic realization: "I never want to feel that way again." I could relate—as much as anyone, even after decades in the business, that dusty wine list in a posh restaurant can still get your palms sweaty.
The conversation took a fun turn when she described her divorce tastings—pairing Cabernets with burning love letters. We laughed, but there's a message in the humor: wine isn't just labels and numbers; it's woven into our life's best and worst moments.
We got onto selecting wine in restaurants, talking to the sommelier, and why confidence is more important than credentials. That tip Natalie McLean gave—to "point at the price" when you don't want to say it out loud—folks, I'm adopting that one! I appreciated her point: most people just want a glass of pleasure, not an encyclopedia of terroirs. That struck home.
Of course, we got nerdy too—talking about licensing, liquor laws in Canada, and the absurd hoops you still have to jump through to get a good bottle at home if you're north of the border. Yet, through it all, Natalie McLean kept it relatable and warm, whether it was "free my grapes" in Canada or shelf talkers in American supermarkets.
Put simply, Natalie McLean reminded me and, I hope, everyone listening, that wine is about stories, connection, and yes, a good laugh at yourself every now and then. And that, for me, is what keeps the conversation, and the cellar, alive.

This is what is so interesting about the wine trade.  It takes a ton of passion to do this, it is hard work and sometimes, without the passion, it just feels like a vanity project. At Caiarosa in Italy, the passion extends from Bordeaux France.
I have had the pleasure to sit with the Director of the famed Chateau Giscours, a 2nd growth Bordeaux, and find their story and approach solid, but adventurous. Enter Caiarosa on the west side of Tuscany; a solidly Tuscan winery employing the methodes and thought processes of Bordeaux; sounds mixed up? Have a listen and find out why this makes sense.
Ivo Assanelli may not travel with a corkscrew in one hand and a passport in the other, but after this conversation, you'll swear he's unlocked the essence of Tuscany with each bottle he opens. This episode invites listeners into a world where the liquid in your glass is no ordinary beverage—it's a vessel for stories, heritage, and profound emotion. Paul Kalemkiarian hosts a discussion that sweeps you from windswept Tuscan hills to bustling global wine expos, all while wrestling with questions of tradition, innovation, and the ever-changing palate of a new generation. You'll immediately sense that with every uncorked bottle, Ivo Assanelli carries not just the flavors of Cairosa, but the soul of winemaking itself.
You'll learn why simply calling wine "alcohol" or "a beverage" misses its very point—and how approaching a glass, whether in California or on the coast of Tuscany, is an act steeped in generations of craft, climate, and culture. The conversation pulls listeners behind the scenes into the delicate business of sustaining organic and biodynamic vineyards, the unpredictability of weather, and the fine art of blending parcels that can shift in character every few yards. They explore the struggles and triumphs of carrying European tradition into markets where attention spans are short and every shelf is crowded, revealing that success means more than just good wine; it's about forging human connections and passing along stories that endure.
From clinking glasses at wine fairs to humble tales of filling demi-johns in Italian villages, every anecdote reinforces just how tightly wine is woven into the fabric of life. You'll come away tasting not just the terroir, but the history, the hardship, the romance, and the unwavering passion that makes a bottle come alive in your hands.
🍷 How the story in a bottle connects generations, places, and people far beyond the alcohol content
🍷 Why a wine's true personality is shaped by the challenges of each season, not just the label on the outside
🍷 The real reasons passionate wine lovers like Ivo Assanelli hit the road—sharing beauty, not chasing trends
 
YouTube:  https://youtu.be/slLq3Qfj2vw