Decoder with Nilay Patel

Connecting with Google CEO Sundar Pichai at I/O every year is one of my favorite Decoder traditions. This was our fifth year doing it, and there’s always a whole slew of new things to talk about.

This year, in addition to the news, we talked about Google Zero; picking fights with YouTube creators and publishers; and what being at “the foothills of the singularity" even means. 

Links: 

If Google can’t make AI agents useful, maybe no one can | The Verge

The future of Google is a search box that does everything | The Verge

Large language mistake | The Verge

You can now remix other people’s YouTube Shorts with AI | The Verge

Condé Nast calls Google Zero | The Verge

Demis Hassabis said this may be the ‘foothills of the singularity’ | The Verge

Google I/O 2026: All the news and announcements | The Verge

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Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Decoder is produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt. This episode was edited by Kabir Chopra. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane. 

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Musk v Altman was nominally about OpenAI's conversion to a for-profit entity, and how it went about that change. But really, the suit seems mostly to have been about Elon Musk being mad at Sam Altman — or at OpenAI, for being successful without him — and wanting him punished in some way.

Verge reporter Liz Lopatto spent the last month covering the trial, in all its chaos, and joins Decoder to ask: In a courtroom full of untrustworthy, unreliable people all fighting with each other, did anyone even have a reputation left to lose?

Read the full interview transcript on The Verge.

Links: 

Elon Musk loses his case against Sam Altman | The Verge

Musk v. Altman proved AI is led by the wrong people | The Verge

Musk v. Altman accomplished nothing but airing dirty laundry | The Verge

Elon Musk’s worst enemy in court is Elon Musk | The Verge

Behold, the Elon Musk jackass trophy | The Verge

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Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Decoder is produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt and edited by Ursa Wright. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane. 

The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.
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Just days before we spoke, BuzzFeed co-founder and CEO Jonah Peretti agreed to sell the company, which was losing money and at risk of shutting down. Now there’s a new lease on life — and new leadership. Jonah is taking on a new role as president of BuzzFeed AI, and Byron Allen will become CEO of BuzzFeed. 

That’s obviously a huge structural and organizational change, and a really big decision — prime Decoder bait if there ever was any. What are digital media companies doing to adapt and survive in an information landscape dominated by algorithmic social platforms?

Read the full interview transcript on The Verge.

Links: 

Byron Allen is buying BuzzFeed and becoming CEO | Variety

BuzzFeed issues going concern warning, lacks liquidity | Wall Street Journal

BuzzFeed News is shutting down | The Verge

BuzzFeed sells Hot Ones studio in $82.5M deal | NBC News

The unbearable lightness of BuzzFeed | The Verge

I hate myself because I don’t work for BuzzFeed (2015) | The Awl

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Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Decoder is produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt; this episode was edited by Kabir Chopra. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane. 

The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.
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Brendan Ballou is founder of the Public Integrity Project and author of the new book,  When Companies Run the Courts, about the rise of forced arbitration.

Forced arbitration is similarly everywhere in modern life, and there have been some very high-profile cases these past few years highlighting how deeply unfair these clauses are to consumers. Brendan’s book delves into how and why we got here — spoiler: we can blame Antonin Scalia for some of it — but also, most importantly, how we may be able to fight back in the future.

Read the full interview transcript on The Verge.

Links: 

When Companies Run the Courts | Hachette

Private equity bought out your doctor and bankrupted Toys ‘R Us | Decoder

Press freedom groups demand access to Paramount records | The Wrap

Disney gives up on trying to use Disney+ to settle wrongful death suit | The Verge

Samsung, corruption, and you (2017) | The Verge

The surprising case for AI judges | Decoder

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Credits:

Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Decoder is produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt and edited by Ursa Wright. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane. 

The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.
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My guest today is longtime friend of the show Joanna Stern. You all know Joanna: she is the former senior personal technology columnist for The Wall Street Journal, a former Decoder guest host, one of my co-founders at The Verge, and also just one of my very closest friends.

Joanna just left that lofty perch at the Journal to start her own media company called New Things, and she’s starting with her new book about AI called I Am Not a Robot, which is out this week on May 12th. So we had Joanna on to talk about all of that, especially what she learned going all in on automation. 

Read the full interview transcript on The Verge.

Links: 

I Am Not a Robot | Harper Collins

It’s time. Meet my New Thing | Joanna Stern

Why I left My prestigious job to make YouTube videos | Joanna Stern / YouTube

Signing off from this column after 12 years. Here’s what’s changed in tech | WSJ

I tried the robot that’s coming to live with you. It’s still par human | WSJ

The people do not yearn for automation | Decoder

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Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Decoder is produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt and edited by Ursa Wright. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane. 

The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.
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