Palisades Gold Radio

Stijn Schmitz welcomes back Mario Innecco to the show. Mario is a Financial and Macro Economic Analyst, and Host of the ‘Manneco64 YouTube Channel’. Mario Innecco presents a compelling case that we are in the early stages of a secular bull market for commodities, driven by decades of underinvestment and a historic reversal in the bond market. He argues that the 40-year bull market in bonds, which began in 1981, is definitively over, and this shift will fundamentally reallocate capital toward hard assets like gold, silver, and other commodities. The core problem, he explains, is an unprecedented global debt bubble.

Western nations, particularly the United States, are trapped in a debt-based fiat currency system where ever-increasing debt requires more debt issuance to service, creating a vicious cycle now exacerbated by rising interest rates. This situation, he believes, will force governments into financial repression, eroding purchasing power and driving investors toward gold and silver as timeless stores of value that cannot be printed. The discussion highlights Japan as a critical “canary in the coal mine,” with its carry trade and the potential repatriation of capital posing a systemic risk to interconnected global financial markets.

Innecco suggests that the ultimate solution to this monetary instability will be a return to gold as a settlement asset, a move already being pioneered by China and the BRICS nations. He views the pure fiat currency era since 1971 as a historical aberration that is nearing its end. For investors, he sees significant upside not only in physical gold and silver but particularly in undervalued mining stocks, which offer substantial leverage. While gold and silver are expected to lead, he also notes strong potential in other commodities like copper, tungsten, and oil, all supported by supply constraints and the global trend toward resource sovereignty.

Timestamps:

00:00:00 – Introduction

00:01:42 – Commodities Secular Bull Market

00:05:08 – Reversal of Financial Trends

00:09:04 – Gold and Silver Drivers

00:12:07 – Debt Based System Issues

00:16:05 – Inflationary Spiral Risks

00:19:28 – Japan Yen Carry Trade

00:26:25 – Gold as Government Solution

00:28:45 – China Gold Settlement Push

00:36:05 – Gold Remains Underowned

00:39:34 – Upside Scenario for Silver

00:42:30 – Miners and Portfolio Allocation

00:46:04 – Bonds and Real Returns

00:48:27 – Broader Commodities Outlook

00:50:58 – Concluding Thoughts

Guest Links:

X: https://x.com/maneco1964

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/maneco64

Mario Innecco is a seasoned financial markets and macroeconomics analyst with over 25 years of experience in the industry. He began his career in private banking in Geneva, Switzerland, before spending two decades in the City of London, specializing in exchange-traded derivatives, government bonds, interest rates, and broader economic trends. During this time, he advised major financial institutions and corporate clients on market strategies and risk management.

A dedicated proponent of the Austrian School of Economics, Mario founded the maneco64 YouTube channel in November 2015, which serves as a platform for alternative economics and contrarian views. Through his videos, blog articles, and social media, he educates a worldwide audience on the intricacies of the fiat monetary system, financial markets, and the enduring value of precious metals like gold and silver.

Stijn Schmitz welcomes Willem Middelkoop to the show. Willem Middelkoop is an author and is the Founder of the Commodity Discovery Fund. Middelkoop asserts that the “big reset” of the global financial system, a thesis he developed over a decade ago, is now unfolding in real time. He points to the accelerating decline of U.S. hegemony, evidenced by the collapsing petrodollar system and waning international support, particularly in the Middle East. This shift from an era of cooperation to confrontation is driving a fundamental change in capital flows, with generalist investors beginning to move away from paper assets like U.S. Treasuries toward hard assets. He notes that foreign ownership of U.S. debt has fallen below thirty percent, a situation he describes as “Weimar Lite,” where the Federal Reserve is increasingly forced to monetize government debt. This environment explains the strong performance of gold, which is being reintroduced into the monetary system without official decree, primarily through record central bank purchases. China alone is buying sixty percent of the world’s annual mine production outside its borders.

While Middelkoop does not foresee a hyperinflationary collapse, as the U.S. retains powerful tools like revaluing its gold holdings, he believes a new financial crisis is likely in the coming years. In such a crisis, he expects central banks to play the “gold card,” driving a significant revaluation. This outlook informs his investment strategy, which focuses on hard assets including real estate, physical gold and silver, Bitcoin, and high-quality equities. Shifting to the mining sector, Middelkoop highlights the exceptional opportunity in gold producers, which are generating record free cash flow yet trade at historically low valuations.

His fund, however, specializes in discovery investing, concentrating on a select portfolio of world-class tier-one and tier-two discoveries. He emphasizes that the key to outsized returns is maintaining a long-term position in a major discovery, allowing value to compound over decades as the deposit is developed into a producing mine. This patient, concentrated approach involves taking significant stakes in companies after the initial discovery hype and supporting them through to production.

Timestamps:

00:00:00 – Introduction

00:01:00 – Financial Reset Discussion

00:04:00 – US Losing Superpower Status

00:09:08 – Central Bank Gold Purchases

00:13:00 – Empire Decline and Debt

00:18:45 – Weimar Lite Scenario

00:23:00 – Gold Revaluation Process

00:28:00 – Mining Sector Opportunities

00:35:00 – Discovery Investing Strategy

00:42:00 – Portfolio Construction Advice

00:47:22 – Concluding Thoughts

Guest Links:

Commodity Discover Fund: https://www.cdfund.com

X: https://x.com/@wmiddelkoop

Willem Middelkoop: https://substack.com/@wmiddelkoop

The Big Reset: https://www.cdfund.com/download-the-big-reset.html

Willem Middelkoop is the founder of the Commodity Discovery Fund and also an author. He became a well-known personality through his work as a stock market commentator for the Dutch business television channel RTLZ.

Middelkoop predicted the credit crisis’s onset in his book “Als de dollar valt” (If the dollar falls) in 2007. Subsequent publications were “De permanente oliecrisis” (The permanent oil crisis) – 2008, “Overleef de kredietcrisis” (Surviving the credit crisis) – 2009, “Goud en het geheim van geld” (Gold and the secret of money) – 2012, and The Big Reset – 2013. In total, he sold more than 100,000 copies of his books.

The Commodity Discovery Fund was established in the summer of 2008. It started with three million euros and 22 participants. By the end of 2023, it had grown to about 2,000 participants and €104 million in assets under management.

Stijn Schmitz welcomes Matthew Piepenburg to the show. Matthew Piepenburg is Partner – Von Greyerz Gold Switzerland, Author – Gold Matters. Piepenburg argues that despite 2026 volatility, including war, a historic gold correction, and US government debt surpassing $40 trillion, the secular gold bull market remains in its early chapters. He sees shakeouts and price interventions as features, not an end, and believes conditions today are stronger than the 1970s run, driven by $265 trillion global debt, negative real rates, and currency debasement.

He contends that governments and central banks have narrowed options and increasingly rely on hidden QE, misleading inflation and employment data, and dollar debasement to manage debt, while Main Street suffers a real recession and middle-class erosion, and stock market gains mostly benefit top wealth.

Piepenburg highlights central bank gold accumulation at record levels, especially after dollar weaponization, as a sign gold is replacing Treasuries as global collateral. He notes the shift in physical gold flows from Western exchanges to Eastern central banks and sovereign funds, and the development of Shanghai-Hong Kong physical settlement, challenging paper price discovery. He expects continued eastward shift, not dollar collapse, but a significant repricing.

Matthew discusses possible US gold revaluation, either marking gold certificates to market or letting gold run, as a form of “gold QE” that would further debase the dollar. He sees miners as leveraged opportunity after sentiment lows, and stresses patience and education. For high-net-worth investors, physical gold outside the banking system in Switzerland and Singapore serves as wealth preservation. He closes that gold won’t get one rich quickly but protects from getting poor.

Timestamps:

00:00:00 – Introduction

00:01:10 – Volatile Year Market Overview

00:03:48 – Gold Bull Market Status

00:08:20 – Mining Sector Investor Interest

00:18:55 – Global Debt & Demographics

00:28:30 – Inflation & Conflicts

00:35:55 – Central Banks & Gold Holdings

00:45:30 – Gold Revaluation Mechanics

00:54:17 – Gold & Gov’t Debt Doubling

01:01:12 – Preparing for Coming Risks

01:07:34 – Von Greyerz Storage Services

Guest Links:

X: https://twitter.com/GoldSwitzerland

Website: https://goldswitzerland.com/

Articles: https://signalsmatter.com/

Book (Amazon): https://tinyurl.com/pvpfmy8c

Matthew Piepenburg is a Partner of Von Greyerz and the author of the popular book, “Rigged to Fail”. Matt is fluent in French, German, and English. He is a graduate of Brown (BA), Harvard (MA), and the University of Michigan (JD). His widely-respected reports on macro conditions and the changing behavior of risk assets are published regularly at SignalsMatter.com

Stijn Schmitz welcomes back Michael Oliver from Momentum Structural Analysis MSA to the show. Michael Oliver opens the discussion by highlighting what he considers the most explosive signal in his decades-long career: the historic undervaluation of gold and silver miners relative to gold. He explained that for decades, the XAU index averaged around 25% of the gold price, but this ratio has collapsed and is currently trading near 9%.

Oliver pointed to a critical technical breakout occurring in the GDX-to-gold spread, which is moving above a 13-year resistance range. This breakout, he argued, is a powerful signal not just for miners to vastly outperform the metal, but also for an impending dramatic price advance in gold itself, as the spread only rises during precious metals bull runs.

The conversation shifted to the broader macroeconomic backdrop, where Oliver identified a “nuclear” government bond crisis as the primary catalyst. He warned that the US Treasury market is far larger than the stock market and is now slipping into quarter-century lows in price, reflecting extreme distrust among investors. Oliver stated that central banks will have no choice but to print money aggressively to defend their debt markets, which will further degrade the currency unit and propel gold higher. He believes this environment will force large asset managers to rotate out of an overvalued stock market, where key financial sector ETFs are showing imminent technical breakdowns, into a vastly underpriced commodity sector.

Regarding other commodities, Oliver maintained that silver is the single most explosive market, being historically repressed relative to gold and the broader money supply. He suggested that if silver merely caught up to the rise seen in other metals since the 1980s, a price of $500 would not be shocking. On oil, he argued it remains vastly underpriced relative to both its historical highs and the decay of the dollar, predicting a broad repricing of commodities as an asset class. Finally, Oliver cautioned that the US dollar index is on the verge of a sharp decline, breaking down from a year-long consolidation, which could accelerate gold’s rally and inflict further damage on US equities.

Timestamps:

00:00:00 – Introduction

00:01:08 – Miners Relative Value to Gold

00:02:27 – GDX Spread Chart Analysis

00:05:44 – Breakout Implications for Miners

00:08:30 – Precious Metals and Bond Crisis

00:11:15 – US Government Bond Market Crisis

00:16:30 – Financial Sector Momentum Breakdown

00:19:03 – Capital Rotation and Liquidity

00:21:38 – Gold History Versus Stocks

00:25:15 – Silver Explosive Upside Potential

00:28:20 – Inflation & Debt Expansion

00:31:00 – Commodities Oil and Asset Shift

00:41:45 – Dollar Index Implications

00:43:35 – Platinum Group Elements Outlook

00:44:52 – MSA Details & Dollar Crisis

Guest Links:

Website: http://www.olivermsa.com/

X: https://twitter.com/Oliver_MSA

Amazon Book: https://tinyurl.com/y2roa7p5

Email: mailto:michaeloliver@olivermsa.com

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J. Michael Oliver entered the financial services industry in 1975 on the Futures side, joining E.F. Hutton’s International Commodity Division, headquartered in New York City’s Battery Park. He studied under David Johnston, head of Hutton’s Commodity Division and Chairman of the COMEX.

In the 1980s, Mike began to develop his proprietary momentum-based method of technical analysis. He learned early on that orthodox price chart technical analysis left many unanswered questions and too often deceived those who trusted in price chart breakouts, support/resistance, and so forth.

In 1987 Mike technically anticipated and caught the Crash. It was then that he decided to develop his structural momentum tools into a full analytic methodology.

In 1992, the Financial VP and head of Wachovia Bank’s Trust Department asked Mike to provide soft dollar research to Wachovia. Within a year, Mike shifted from brokerage to full-time technical analysis. He is also the author of The New Libertarianism: Anarcho-Capitalism.

Stijn Schmitz welcomes Henrik Zeberg to the show. Henrik Zeberg is Head Macro Economist at Swissblock. Zeberg believes the equity rally is entering its final phase, with a major market top likely within the next quarter. He warns this will not be an ordinary correction but a significant downturn, driven by a weakening US economy that many market participants have yet to recognize. The consumer is in a particularly fragile state, with depleted savings, rising credit card delinquencies, and housing affordability at crisis levels, all pointing to an imminent economic rollover.

Zeberg explains that the current cycle mirrors past business cycles, where high rates and inflation eventually stall growth. However, this time the situation is exacerbated by the massive debt accumulation enabled by years of quantitative easing and artificially suppressed rates. The unwinding of these distortions will be severe, combining elements of both the 2000 tech bust and the 2008 financial crisis, but likely worse due to opaque private credit risks and the psychological impact of recent inflation on consumer behavior. Gold is expected to face headwinds initially as a liquidity crunch and a strengthening US dollar cause a pullback, potentially to $3,100 or lower.

However, once the Federal Reserve is forced to intervene aggressively with yield suppression, gold will enter a powerful rally, potentially rising fivefold in a few years and outperforming equities dramatically. Zeberg sees this as a buying opportunity for physical gold, recommending dollar-cost averaging. Silver and gold miners will also benefit, though they may suffer during the initial downturn. Zeberg advises listeners to prepare for a significant stock market decline, suggesting that taking profits now and developing a contingency plan is prudent.

While the US dollar may be the best near-term safe haven, precious metals and commodities will be the ultimate beneficiaries when the Fed steps in for real. He encourages following his work through Swissblock’s services and his Substack for ongoing analysis.

Timestamps:

00:00:00 – Introduction

00:01:04 – Macro Picture and Equity Rally

00:03:22 – Drivers Behind Market Top

00:05:27 – State of the Consumer

00:09:00 – Inflation and Business Cycle

00:13:50 – Debt-Loads Gov’t & Consumers

00:18:35 – How Bad Recession Could Be

00:21:45 – Equities and NASDAQ Decline

00:24:05 – Chain of Events in Crash

00:27:26 – Government Debt Intersection

00:33:54 – Energy and Oil Crisis?

00:37:00 – Gold Fate in Liquidity Crunch

00:44:24 – Gold Pullback Expectations

00:45:20 – Gold Miners & Upside?

00:49:20 – Stock Market Topping

00:55:00 – Concluding Thoughts

Guest Links:

Substack: https://henrikzeberg.substack.com

X: https://x.com/HenrikZeberg

Website: https://swissblock.net/

Henrik Zeberg is a Macroeconomist (M.Sc. Econ) from the University of Copenhagen. He is a Business Cycles student, Elliott Wave practitioner, and Chartist. He is the Head Macro Economist at Swissblock where he writes the Zeberg letter a comprehensive monthly macroeconomic report.