The Divorce and Beyond® Podcast with Susan Guthrie, Esq.

• Move Forward Confidently: Post-Divorce Money Moves That Build Your Future with Patrick Kilbane on Divorce & Beyond #392

  Susan Guthrie welcomes Patrick Kilbane, J.D., CDFA®, partner at Ullman Wealth Partners and Director of the Divorce Advisory Group, to talk about one of the most overlooked but critical phases of divorce: what happens to your finances after the papers are signed. Instead of stopping at the settlement, Patrick shows you how to step into your financial “2.0” with confidence. We talk about creating clarity around your monthly cashflow, setting up systems to cover everyday expenses, and simplifying your accounts so they’re easy to manage. Patrick also shares how to plan ahead during the divorce, not just after, so you negotiate with your future in mind. You’ll hear practical strategies for rebuilding credit, organizing your retirement and investment accounts, making smart housing decisions, and avoiding costly mistakes that can derail your long-term security.  Patrick’s decades of experience as both an attorney and Certified Divorce Financial Analyst make this a must-listen for anyone ready to move beyond survival mode and build a strong, strategic financial foundation for the next chapter of life. What You’ll Discover in This Episode How to recognize when it’s time to shift from divorce survival to planning your independent future Simple steps to clarify monthly cashflow and set up systems to cover bills and savings Why involving a financial advisor before settlement helps you plan smarter and avoid gaps How strategic planning beyond the settlement sets you up for lasting stability and confidence More About Our Special Guest, Patrick Kilbane, J.D., CDFA®:  Pat is a Partner at the firm and serves as both a Wealth Advisor and General Counsel. He brings over a decade of experience helping clients coordinate and implement comprehensive wealth management strategies. In his legal role, he manages all legal matters for the firm and assists clients with navigating their own legal questions by connecting them to trusted resources. Pat also leads our Divorce Advisory Group, where he supports high-net-worth clients before, during, and after the divorce process. Drawing on his extensive background in family law and his Certified Divorce Financial Analyst® (CDFA®) designation, Pat helps clients make informed, confident financial decisions at every stage of marital dissolution. Before joining our firm, Pat built a successful legal career in matrimonial and family law, serving as a Shareholder at two respected statewide firms—GrayRobinson, P.A. and Rogers Towers, P.A.—in Jacksonville. Pat is deeply involved in the Jacksonville community and has served on numerous civic and professional boards. He has received several gubernatorial appointments, including to the Jacksonville Aviation Authority—where he served as Chairman from 2017–2018 and again from 2020–2021—and to the 4th Judicial Circuit Judicial Nominating Commission, where he served as Chairman from 2017–2019. Most recently, he was appointed by Governor Ron DeSantis to the Jacksonville Port Authority in 2024 and to the Florida Elections Commission in 2025. His leadership extends to the Jacksonville Bar Association, where he served on the Board of Governors and as President of its Young Lawyers Section. He is a graduate of Leadership Florida (Class XXXV) and currently serves as President of the Jacksonville Lawyers Chapter of the Federalist Society. Pat previously served as President of the Board of Directors of the Notre Dame Alumni Club of Greater Jacksonville and as a member of the Foundation Board for St. Vincent’s Hospital. In 2017, he was appointed by Bishop Felipe Estévez to the Savings and Loan Board for the Diocese of St. Augustine. In 2020, he was elected to the Board of Trustees for Adrian College, which will honor him as its 2025 Distinguished Alumnus. Pat earned his J.D. from the University of Notre Dame and holds a B.B.A. from Adrian College, where he graduated summa cum laude. He is a Certified Divorce Financial Analyst® and co-author of Move Forward Confidently: A Woman's Guide to Navigating the High-Net-Worth Divorce. Website and Book http://ullmannwealthpartners.com Pat’s book: Move Forward Confidently: A Woman's Guide to Navigating the High-Net-Worth Divorce. ===================== Take the Most of Your Listening Experience: If this episode resonates with you, be sure to: Subscribe to Divorce & Beyond so you never miss an episode. Share this episode with friends or loved ones who need hope and healing. Leave a 5-star review to help us reach even more listeners. Follow Us Online: Divorce & Beyond:  https://divorceandbeyondpod.com, IG: @divorceandbeyond MEET OUR CREATOR AND HOST: SUSAN GUTHRIE®, ESQ., the creator and host of The Divorce and Beyond® Podcast, has been nationally recognized as one of the top family law and divorce mediation attorneys in the country for more than 30 years.  Susan is the Chair of the American Bar Association Section of Dispute Resolution and is a sought-after keynote speaker, business and practice consultant, coach and trainer. You can find out more about Susan and her services here: https://susaneguthrie.com Divorce & Beyond is a Top 1% Overall and Top 100 Self-Help podcast designed to help you with all you need to know to navigate your divorce journey and most importantly, to thrive in your beautiful beyond!   ***************************************************************************** SPONSOR SPOTLIGHT: HELLO FRESH HelloFresh is now a proud sponsor of Divorce & Beyond! If you’ve been thinking about cutting back on grocery bills, avoiding food waste, or just getting dinner on the table without the stress — this is your moment, because right now, HelloFresh is offering one free item in every box — for life! That’s right — every single box you order includes a free item, forever. And just to give you a taste of what that looks like... I got pineapple upside-down cakes in my first order! I originally discovered HelloFresh during the pandemic and fell in love with learning new recipes and expanding our dinner routine. I let it go for a while — hey, I live in Chicago with world-class restaurants on every corner — but with today’s rising costs, HelloFresh is back on my table, and I’m so glad it is. So if you’re ready to save time, money, and dinner — go to divorceandbeyond.com/hellofresh and sign up today to grab that free item for life. ***************** YUMIYU Jewelry YUMIYU Jewelry is Susan’s favorite source for meaningful, handcrafted jewelry designed to empower women and celebrate individuality. Each piece is made with care, using high-quality materials like real gold and vermeil, and is water-resistant, non-tarnish, and hypoallergenic. During difficult times, like divorce, wearing a symbol of hope or protection—such as a hamsa or an evil eye—can be a comforting reminder to keep the faith and stay strong. As a special gift to my listeners, YUMIYU Jewelry is offering 20% off your purchase! Use the code "BEYOND" at checkout to claim your discount. Explore their stunning collection at yumiyujewelry.com and find your perfect piece today! Link: https://divorcebeyond.com/YUMIYU  Code: “BEYOND” for 20% off! ***************************************************************************** SPONSORSHIP OPPORTUNITIES AVAILABLE! If you would like to sponsor the show and reach our large community of those going through and healing from divorce, please reach out to us at  [email protected] for pricing and details!!! ***************************************************************************** DISCLAIMER:  THE COMMENTARY AND OPINIONS AVAILABLE ON THIS PODCAST ARE FOR INFORMATIONAL AND ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY AND NOT FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING LEGAL ADVICE.  YOU SHOULD CONTACT AN ATTORNEY IN YOUR STATE TO OBTAIN LEGAL ADVICE WITH RESPECT TO ANY PARTICULAR ISSUE OR PROBLEM.

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• The Billion Dollar Divorce Playbook: Lessons from the Dream Team You Can Use Too, Part 2 on Divorce & Beyond #391

  Susan Guthrie welcomes back three powerhouse professionals to Divorce & Beyond for part two of a very special series that turns the billion-dollar divorce playbook into practical strategies you can use in your own divorce, no matter your net worth. Together, Michelle Smith, Beth McCormack, and Jenny Stevens make up what Susan calls the Billion Dollar Dream Team. Between them, they bring decades of experience guiding clients through some of the most complex, high-stakes divorces in the country. From untangling billion-dollar assets to protecting children’s well-being to helping clients stay grounded in the storm, this team delivers legal, financial, and emotional strategies that can benefit anyone facing divorce. In part one, we pulled back the curtain on what divorce looks like when billions of dollars are at stake: the unique challenges, the strategies, and the inside perspective that only comes from decades of experience handling ultra-high-net-worth cases. The lessons from those cases aren’t just for billionaires.  This week, in part two, we’re taking those big-dollar insights and showing you how they apply to your divorce,  no matter your net worth or no matter where you are in the process. What You’ll Discover in This Episode How to trust your gut when choosing the professionals on your dream team Why knowing the true cost of your life is essential for smart financial decisions The power of defining priorities and fears early to shape your legal strategy Why emotional healing often takes longer than the legal process and how to honor that timeline Meet the Billion Dollar Dream Team Michelle Smith Michelle Smith is one of the nation’s most sought-after divorce financial specialists, holding the Certified Divorce Financial Analyst® designation. She is the founder of Wife2CFO, a platform created to empower women to understand and manage their wealth with confidence. Michelle is also the co-author of Divorce & Your Finances and a regular contributor to national financial media. With more than three decades of experience advising ultra high net worth families, she brings unmatched expertise in investment strategy, wealth transfer, and philanthropic planning — and a unique ability to simplify even the most complex financial landscapes. Contact Michelle:  https://savantwealth.com Michelle's Divorce Journey Self-Discovery Questionnaire Beth F. McCormack Beth McCormack is a highly respected family law attorney, known for her skill in handling the most complex and sensitive divorce and parenting matters. Based in Chicago, Beth is equally at home in the courtroom, in mediation, and in collaborative law, always centering her practice on compassion and empathy. She has been consistently recognized as a Best Lawyer, Super Lawyer, and Leading Lawyer, including being named one of the Top 50 Women Super Lawyers. In addition to her thriving practice, Beth mentors the next generation of family law professionals and writes a monthly column for the Chicago Daily Law Bulletin. She is especially known for her advocacy on behalf of children and her ability to navigate high-profile, high-net worth divorces with discretion and care. Contact Beth:  https://beermannlaw.com Jenny Stevens Jenny Stevens is a counselor, divorce coach, and adolescent coach who has built her career around helping people navigate life’s toughest transitions. With a master’s degree in professional counseling and extensive mediation training, Jenny brings both clinical expertise and a no-nonsense, approachable style to her coaching. She has lived through her own share of profound life changes — from loss to illness to divorce — and uses that experience to guide clients with empathy, honesty, and practical strategies. Jenny helps individuals and families regulate emotions, build resilience, and create the foundations for a life they love. Her work emphasizes emotional regulation, self-care, and values-based co-parenting, making her an invaluable support for anyone facing the upheaval of divorce. Contact Jenny: https://jennystevenscoach.com ===================== Take the Most of Your Listening Experience: If this episode resonates with you, be sure to: Subscribe to Divorce & Beyond so you never miss an episode. Share this episode with friends or loved ones who need hope and healing. Leave a 5-star review to help us reach even more listeners. Follow Us Online: Divorce & Beyond:  https://divorceandbeyondpod.com, IG: @divorceandbeyond MEET OUR CREATOR AND HOST: SUSAN GUTHRIE®, ESQ., the creator and host of The Divorce and Beyond® Podcast, has been nationally recognized as one of the top family law and divorce mediation attorneys in the country for more than 30 years.  Susan is the Chair of the American Bar Association Section of Dispute Resolution and is a sought-after keynote speaker, business and practice consultant, coach and trainer. You can find out more about Susan and her services here: https://susaneguthrie.com Divorce & Beyond is a Top 1% Overall and Top 100 Self-Help podcast designed to help you with all you need to know to navigate your divorce journey and most importantly, to thrive in your beautiful beyond!   ***************************************************************************** SPONSOR SPOTLIGHT: HELLO FRESH HelloFresh is now a proud sponsor of Divorce & Beyond! If you’ve been thinking about cutting back on grocery bills, avoiding food waste, or just getting dinner on the table without the stress — this is your moment, because right now, HelloFresh is offering one free item in every box — for life! That’s right — every single box you order includes a free item, forever. And just to give you a taste of what that looks like... I got pineapple upside-down cakes in my first order! I originally discovered HelloFresh during the pandemic and fell in love with learning new recipes and expanding our dinner routine. I let it go for a while — hey, I live in Chicago with world-class restaurants on every corner — but with today’s rising costs, HelloFresh is back on my table, and I’m so glad it is. So if you’re ready to save time, money, and dinner — go to divorceandbeyond.com/hellofresh and sign up today to grab that free item for life. ***************** YUMIYU Jewelry YUMIYU Jewelry is Susan’s favorite source for meaningful, handcrafted jewelry designed to empower women and celebrate individuality. Each piece is made with care, using high-quality materials like real gold and vermeil, and is water-resistant, non-tarnish, and hypoallergenic. During difficult times, like divorce, wearing a symbol of hope or protection—such as a hamsa or an evil eye—can be a comforting reminder to keep the faith and stay strong. As a special gift to my listeners, YUMIYU Jewelry is offering 20% off your purchase! Use the code "BEYOND" at checkout to claim your discount. Explore their stunning collection at yumiyujewelry.com and find your perfect piece today! Link: https://divorcebeyond.com/YUMIYU  Code: “BEYOND” for 20% off! ***************************************************************************** SPONSORSHIP OPPORTUNITIES AVAILABLE! If you would like to sponsor the show and reach our large community of those going through and healing from divorce, please reach out to us at  [email protected] for pricing and details!!! ***************************************************************************** DISCLAIMER:  THE COMMENTARY AND OPINIONS AVAILABLE ON THIS PODCAST ARE FOR INFORMATIONAL AND ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY AND NOT FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING LEGAL ADVICE.  YOU SHOULD CONTACT AN ATTORNEY IN YOUR STATE TO OBTAIN LEGAL ADVICE WITH RESPECT TO ANY PARTICULAR ISSUE OR PROBLEM.

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• The Billion Dollar Divorce Playbook: Lessons from the Dream Team You Can Use Too, Part 1 on Divorce & Beyond #390

  Susan Guthrie welcomes three powerhouse professionals to Divorce & Beyond for a very special two-part series that pulls back the curtain on ultra high net worth divorces and reveals strategies that can help anyone navigating divorce. Together, Michelle Smith, Beth McCormack, and Jenny Stevens make up what Susan calls the Billion Dollar Dream Team. Between them, they bring decades of experience guiding clients through some of the most complex, high-stakes divorces in the country. From untangling billion-dollar assets to protecting children’s well-being to helping clients stay grounded in the storm, this team delivers legal, financial, and emotional strategies that can benefit anyone facing divorce, no matter your net worth. This conversation highlights not only the extraordinary circumstances of billion-dollar cases but also the universal truths: divorce is emotionally scrambling, requires strong communication, and benefits enormously from a cohesive team approach. What You’ll Discover in This Episode The unique legal complexities of managing billion-dollar assets, foundations, and family offices. The importance of asking the right financial questions without escalating conflict How privacy, reputation management, and creative solutions play a critical role in high-stakes cases What’s Next This is just part one. Next week, Michelle, Beth, and Jenny return to translate the billion-dollar lessons into practical, actionable strategies for your own divorce journey, whether you’re just beginning, in the thick of it, or finding your new Beyond. Get Michelle's FREE divorce financial resource downloads mentioned in the episodes. Meet the Billion Dollar Dream Team Michelle Smith Michelle Smith is one of the nation’s most sought-after divorce financial specialists, holding the Certified Divorce Financial Analyst® designation. She is the founder of Wife2CFO, a platform created to empower women to understand and manage their wealth with confidence. Michelle is also the co-author of Divorce & Your Finances and a regular contributor to national financial media. With more than three decades of experience advising ultra high net worth families, she brings unmatched expertise in investment strategy, wealth transfer, and philanthropic planning — and a unique ability to simplify even the most complex financial landscapes. Contact Michelle:  https://savantwealth.com Beth F. McCormack Beth McCormack is a highly respected family law attorney, known for her skill in handling the most complex and sensitive divorce and parenting matters. Based in Chicago, Beth’s practice includes guiding her clients whether they are litigating, mediating or collaborative law, all with compassion and empathy. She has been consistently recognized as a Best Lawyer, Super Lawyer, and Leading Lawyer, including being named one of the Top 50 Women Super Lawyers. In addition to her thriving practice, Beth mentors the next generation of family law professionals. She is especially known for her advocacy on behalf of children and her ability to navigate high-profile, high-net worth divorces with discretion and care. Contact Beth:  https://beermannlaw.com Jenny Stevens Jenny Stevens is a counselor, divorce coach, and adolescent coach who has built her career around helping people navigate life’s toughest transitions. With a master’s degree in professional counseling and extensive mediation training, Jenny brings both clinical expertise and a no-nonsense, approachable style to her coaching. She has lived through her own share of profound life changes — from loss to illness to divorce — and uses that experience to guide clients with empathy, honesty, and practical strategies. Jenny helps individuals and families regulate emotions, build resilience, and create the foundations for a life they love. Her work emphasizes emotional regulation, self-care, and values-based co-parenting, making her an invaluable support for anyone facing the upheaval of divorce. Contact Jenny: https://jennystevenscoach.com ===================== Take the Most of Your Listening Experience: If this episode resonates with you, be sure to: Subscribe to Divorce & Beyond so you never miss an episode. Share this episode with friends or loved ones who need hope and healing. Leave a 5-star review to help us reach even more listeners. Follow Us Online: Divorce & Beyond:  https://divorceandbeyondpod.com, IG: @divorceandbeyond MEET OUR CREATOR AND HOST: SUSAN GUTHRIE®, ESQ., the creator and host of The Divorce and Beyond® Podcast, has been nationally recognized as one of the top family law and divorce mediation attorneys in the country for more than 30 years.  Susan is the Chair of the American Bar Association Section of Dispute Resolution and is a sought-after keynote speaker, business and practice consultant, coach and trainer. You can find out more about Susan and her services here: https://susaneguthrie.com Divorce & Beyond is a Top 1% Overall and Top 100 Self-Help podcast designed to help you with all you need to know to navigate your divorce journey and most importantly, to thrive in your beautiful beyond!   ***************************************************************************** SPONSOR SPOTLIGHT: HELLO FRESH HelloFresh is now a proud sponsor of Divorce & Beyond! If you’ve been thinking about cutting back on grocery bills, avoiding food waste, or just getting dinner on the table without the stress — this is your moment, because right now, HelloFresh is offering one free item in every box — for life! That’s right — every single box you order includes a free item, forever. And just to give you a taste of what that looks like... I got pineapple upside-down cakes in my first order! I originally discovered HelloFresh during the pandemic and fell in love with learning new recipes and expanding our dinner routine. I let it go for a while — hey, I live in Chicago with world-class restaurants on every corner — but with today’s rising costs, HelloFresh is back on my table, and I’m so glad it is. So if you’re ready to save time, money, and dinner — go to divorceandbeyond.com/hellofresh and sign up today to grab that free item for life. ***************** YUMIYU Jewelry YUMIYU Jewelry is Susan’s favorite source for meaningful, handcrafted jewelry designed to empower women and celebrate individuality. Each piece is made with care, using high-quality materials like real gold and vermeil, and is water-resistant, non-tarnish, and hypoallergenic. During difficult times, like divorce, wearing a symbol of hope or protection—such as a hamsa or an evil eye—can be a comforting reminder to keep the faith and stay strong. As a special gift to my listeners, YUMIYU Jewelry is offering 20% off your purchase! Use the code "BEYOND" at checkout to claim your discount. Explore their stunning collection at yumiyujewelry.com and find your perfect piece today! Link: https://divorcebeyond.com/YUMIYU  Code: “BEYOND” for 20% off! ***************************************************************************** SPONSORSHIP OPPORTUNITIES AVAILABLE! If you would like to sponsor the show and reach our large community of those going through and healing from divorce, please reach out to us at  [email protected] for pricing and details!!! ***************************************************************************** DISCLAIMER:  THE COMMENTARY AND OPINIONS AVAILABLE ON THIS PODCAST ARE FOR INFORMATIONAL AND ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY AND NOT FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING LEGAL ADVICE.  YOU SHOULD CONTACT AN ATTORNEY IN YOUR STATE TO OBTAIN LEGAL ADVICE WITH RESPECT TO ANY PARTICULAR ISSUE OR PROBLEM.

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• The Selfish Year: How Choosing Yourself After Divorce Can Transform Your Life with Valerie Jones on Divorce & Beyond #389

  Susan Guthrie welcomes Valerie Jones, author of The Selfish Year, to share a radically different perspective on what it means to put yourself first after divorce. Valerie’s story of going from broke, divorced, stay-at-home mom to thriving six-figure entrepreneur began with one powerful decision: to be selfish. In this conversation, she redefines selfishness as being “full of self” and shows how embracing it can become the gateway to healing, clarity, and abundance. As this episode highlights, “selfish” is a word most women have been conditioned to fear. Yet, as Valerie explains, choosing yourself isn’t only allowed: it’s essential. Her journey and strategies offer inspiration and practical steps for anyone navigating divorce or life transitions. What You’ll Discover in This Episode Why selfish is not arrogance but becoming “full of self” instead of self-less How small, daily acts of selfishness create transformation The importance of saying no, setting boundaries, and breaking free from people-pleasing patterns Valerie’s “selfish strategies” that help you reconnect with your intuition, reclaim your power, and act as if you love yourself More About Our Special Guest, Valerie Jones:   Valerie Jones is the author of The Selfish Year (remeased September 3, 2025), host of The Selfish Woman podcast, and founder of The Selfish Woman movement, a global collective of women rising into their power and claiming the life they deserve. A thought leader in midlife reinvention and the sacred rebellion of women daring to put themselves first, Valerie is redefining what it means to be selfish. Her work helps women ditch the good girl conditioning, stop performing for approval, and step unapologetically into desire, self-trust, and overflow. Through her bold storytelling, viral social media presence, and fast-growing global community, she is leading a new era for women who are ready to stop surviving and start shining — without apology. Website and Book: http://valeriejones.ca The Selfish Year: https://a.co/d/i8ANT8W Social Media:  http://instagram.com/thevaleriejones https://www.tiktok.com/@valeriejones11 Make the Most of Your Listening Experience: If this episode resonates with you, be sure to: Subscribe to Divorce & Beyond so you never miss an episode. Share this episode with friends or loved ones who need hope and healing. Leave a 5-star review to help us reach even more listeners. Follow Us Online: Divorce & Beyond:  https://divorceandbeyondpod.com, IG: @divorceandbeyond MEET OUR CREATOR AND HOST: SUSAN GUTHRIE®, ESQ., the creator and host of The Divorce and Beyond® Podcast, has been nationally recognized as one of the top family law and divorce mediation attorneys in the country for more than 30 years.  Susan is the Immediate Past Chair of the American Bar Association Section of Dispute Resolution and is a sought-after keynote speaker, business and practice consultant, coach and trainer. You can find out more about Susan and her services here: https://susaneguthrie.com Divorce & Beyond is a Top 1% Overall and Top 100 Self-Help podcast designed to help you with all you need to know to navigate your divorce journey and most importantly, to thrive in your beautiful beyond!   ***************************************************************************** SPONSOR SPOTLIGHT: HELLO FRESH HelloFresh is now a proud sponsor of Divorce & Beyond! If you’ve been thinking about cutting back on grocery bills, avoiding food waste, or just getting dinner on the table without the stress — this is your moment, because right now, HelloFresh is offering one free item in every box — for life! That’s right — every single box you order includes a free item, forever. And just to give you a taste of what that looks like... I got pineapple upside-down cakes in my first order! I originally discovered HelloFresh during the pandemic and fell in love with learning new recipes and expanding our dinner routine. I let it go for a while — hey, I live in Chicago with world-class restaurants on every corner — but with today’s rising costs, HelloFresh is back on my table, and I’m so glad it is. So if you’re ready to save time, money, and dinner — go to divorceandbeyond.com/hellofresh and sign up today to grab that free item for life. ***************** YUMIYU Jewelry YUMIYU Jewelry is Susan’s favorite source for meaningful, handcrafted jewelry designed to empower women and celebrate individuality. Each piece is made with care, using high-quality materials like real gold and vermeil, and is water-resistant, non-tarnish, and hypoallergenic. During difficult times, like divorce, wearing a symbol of hope or protection—such as a hamsa or an evil eye—can be a comforting reminder to keep the faith and stay strong. As a special gift to my listeners, YUMIYU Jewelry is offering 20% off your purchase! Use the code "BEYOND" at checkout to claim your discount. Explore their stunning collection at yumiyujewelry.com and find your perfect piece today! Link: https://divorcebeyond.com/YUMIYU  Code: “BEYOND” for 20% off! ***************************************************************************** SPONSORSHIP OPPORTUNITIES AVAILABLE! If you would like to sponsor the show and reach our large community of those going through and healing from divorce, please reach out to us at  [email protected] for pricing and details!!! ***************************************************************************** DISCLAIMER:  THE COMMENTARY AND OPINIONS AVAILABLE ON THIS PODCAST ARE FOR INFORMATIONAL AND ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY AND NOT FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING LEGAL ADVICE.  YOU SHOULD CONTACT AN ATTORNEY IN YOUR STATE TO OBTAIN LEGAL ADVICE WITH RESPECT TO ANY PARTICULAR ISSUE OR PROBLEM.

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• Stop Shoulding on Yourself: The Bold New Path After Divorce with Jessica Frew on Divorce & Beyond #388

  Susan Guthrie welcomes Jessica Frew back to Divorce and Beyond for a powerful conversation about releasing the “shoulds” that may box you in after divorce and reclaiming your decision-making power. Jessica is a wife, ex-wife, mom, stepmom, founder of The Bold Logic, and author of the upcoming book Shove the Shoulds: Become a Decision-Making Badass to Live the Bold Life You Deserve. If you’ve ever felt weighed down by guilt, judgment, or that pesky inner voice telling you what you “should” be doing, this episode will help you break free. Plus, one lucky listener will win a free copy of Jessica’s new book, listen through to the end for details! Stop living a life of “shoulds” and start today. Jessica shows you how to shove them right out the door and step confidently into your next chapter after divorce.  What You’ll Discover in This Episode: How “shoulds” are often just judgment in disguise and why recognizing them is the first step to freedom The role conditioning and past relationships play in breaking down self-trust Why true post-divorce freedom comes from reclaiming your decision-making power Jessica’s Be, Be, Be formula: Be Gentle, Be Humble, Be Bold, and how it can transform your life Practical ways to start rebuilding trust in yourself, one small decision at a time More About Our Special Guest, Jessica Frew:  Jessica Frew is a wife, ex-wife, mom, stepmom, and BOLD action taker. She’s the founder of The BOLD Logic, a company devoted to helping women understand their decision making patterns to take back their voice. Jessica teaches women how to trust themselves by owning their decision-making power so they can live boldly, love honestly, and stop abandoning themselves to keep the peace. Websites: Enter to win a FREE copy of Jessica’s brand new book “Shove Your Shoulds: Become a Decision-Making Badass to Live the BOLD Life You Deserve”, just for listeners of the Divorce & Beyond Podcast with Susan Guthrie. https://shoveyourshoulds.com/enter Jessica’s new book, "Shove Your Shoulds": https://shoveyourshoulds.com Social Media:  http://instagram.com/heyjessicafrew http://www.facebook.com/heyjessicafrew Take the Most of Your Listening Experience: If this episode resonates with you, be sure to: Subscribe to Divorce & Beyond so you never miss an episode. Share this episode with friends or loved ones who need hope and healing. Leave a 5-star review to help us reach even more listeners. Follow Us Online: Divorce & Beyond:  https://divorceandbeyondpod.com, IG: @divorceandbeyond MEET OUR CREATOR AND HOST: SUSAN GUTHRIE®, ESQ., the creator and host of The Divorce and Beyond® Podcast, has been nationally recognized as one of the top family law and divorce mediation attorneys in the country for more than 30 years.  Susan is the Chair of the American Bar Association Section of Dispute Resolution and is a sought-after keynote speaker, business and practice consultant, coach and trainer. You can find out more about Susan and her services here: https://susaneguthrie.com Divorce & Beyond is a Top 1% Overall and Top 100 Self-Help podcast designed to help you with all you need to know to navigate your divorce journey and most importantly, to thrive in your beautiful beyond!   ***************************************************************************** SPONSOR SPOTLIGHT: HELLO FRESH HelloFresh is now a proud sponsor of Divorce & Beyond! If you’ve been thinking about cutting back on grocery bills, avoiding food waste, or just getting dinner on the table without the stress — this is your moment, because right now, HelloFresh is offering one free item in every box — for life! That’s right — every single box you order includes a free item, forever. And just to give you a taste of what that looks like... I got pineapple upside-down cakes in my first order! I originally discovered HelloFresh during the pandemic and fell in love with learning new recipes and expanding our dinner routine. I let it go for a while — hey, I live in Chicago with world-class restaurants on every corner — but with today’s rising costs, HelloFresh is back on my table, and I’m so glad it is. So if you’re ready to save time, money, and dinner — go to divorceandbeyond.com/hellofresh and sign up today to grab that free item for life. ***************** YUMIYU Jewelry YUMIYU Jewelry is Susan’s favorite source for meaningful, handcrafted jewelry designed to empower women and celebrate individuality. Each piece is made with care, using high-quality materials like real gold and vermeil, and is water-resistant, non-tarnish, and hypoallergenic. During difficult times, like divorce, wearing a symbol of hope or protection—such as a hamsa or an evil eye—can be a comforting reminder to keep the faith and stay strong. As a special gift to my listeners, YUMIYU Jewelry is offering 20% off your purchase! Use the code "BEYOND" at checkout to claim your discount. Explore their stunning collection at yumiyujewelry.com and find your perfect piece today! Link: https://divorcebeyond.com/YUMIYU  Code: “BEYOND” for 20% off! ***************************************************************************** SPONSORSHIP OPPORTUNITIES AVAILABLE! If you would like to sponsor the show and reach our large community of those going through and healing from divorce, please reach out to us at  [email protected] for pricing and details!!! ***************************************************************************** DISCLAIMER:  THE COMMENTARY AND OPINIONS AVAILABLE ON THIS PODCAST ARE FOR INFORMATIONAL AND ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY AND NOT FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING LEGAL ADVICE.  YOU SHOULD CONTACT AN ATTORNEY IN YOUR STATE TO OBTAIN LEGAL ADVICE WITH RESPECT TO ANY PARTICULAR ISSUE OR PROBLEM.

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