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Avivah Wittenberg-Cox
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  • Jacynth Bassett: Becoming Intentionally Inter-Generational
    In this episode of 4-Quarter Lives, Avivah Wittenberg-Cox sits down with Jacynth Bassett, the founder of Ageism Is Never In Style, to discuss their collaborative campaign, Intentionally Intergenerational. Launched in conjunction with Global Intergenerational Week (April 24–30), this initiative challenges outdated age narratives and promotes age inclusivity across workplaces and society.Jacynth, recognized as the 'Anti-Ageist Activist of the Year 2023' and one of the Evening Standard's '22 Londoners Changing The World', shares insights into the campaign's mission to bridge generational divides intentionally. With a community of over 270,000 followers and a reach of 90+ million content views, Ageism Is Never In Style leverages its platform to foster intergenerational connections and highlight the value of age diversity.​Together, Avivah and Jacynth delve into strategies for cultivating age-inclusive cultures, the importance of intergenerational allyship, and the economic imperative of embracing longevity. They also discuss their upcoming free LinkedIn webinar on April 30, 2025, aimed at equipping leaders with tools to navigate and benefit from multigenerational dynamics.​ Tune in to explore how intentional intergenerational collaboration can drive innovation, inclusivity, and sustainable growth in today's evolving demographic landscape.Jacynth Bassett is an award-winning expert, consultant and leader on age-inclusivity. As the Founder & CEO of global award-winning consultancy, community & campaign Ageism Is Never In Style®️, she is now widely recognised as a leading pioneer and voice on age inclusivity, ageism and longevity. Jacynth has been driving the age-inclusivity and anti-ageism movement since 2016 - from creating viral campaigns including #ILookMyAge (45M+ views), to consulting for and advising global brands and companies across a wide range of industries and sectors. Her strategic expertise, commercial acumen, and creative vision, paired with a deep ability to connect across generations, make her one of the most exciting visionaries and disruptors in this space.Useful Links:* LinkedIn Webinar 30 April, 13:00 BST* Ageism is Never in Style website* Ageism Is Never In Style Instagram : www.instagram.com/ageismisneverinstyle Get full access to Elderberries at elderberries.substack.com/subscribe
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  • 4-Quarter Lives: Summary Season 8
    4-Quarter Lives explores the profound impact of longer lives and careers on… everything: countries, companies, couples, and careers. This week I’m doing a summary of Season 8, a series in two acts and ten voices.The First Act looked at a how smart older women are working hard on understanding and strengthening the next generation, and also starting to explore the new roles that older women are taking on in Q3.The Second Act featured some of the change agents waking the world up to this new era of longevity and what I call ‘generational balance’ in a myriad of ways, media and channels.ACT 1 - What Older Women Know NowCulture, socialisation, media and gender roles all shape what we can and can’t do with our lives. And these Q3 women are working to redefine the stories we hear and tell.* CULTURE: That we’ve got a big cultural challenge that is getting worse in an age of warring autocrats. It’s impacting our kids – both girls and boys – and our relationships. Kids are getting depressed and disconnected. Niobe Way, a developmental psychologist and NYU professor, shared her 30 years of research on boys, friendship, and the emotional repression imposed by traditional masculinity – and capitalism. As she says “We live in a culture that privileges thinking over feeling. Any culture that does that is going to be deeply screwed up.”* SOCIALISATION: This is especially true in some parts of the world more than others. Fast-changing and exploding India is still no easy place for young women with ambition, and Anuradha Das Mathur founder of the Vedica Scholars Programme for Women, a women-only MBA, is celebrating a decade of training a new generation of women leaders to navigate work, life, and leadership in ways that respect both ambition and care. “Dignity and dependence don’t go hand in hand. If you want dignity, you need independence. And independence requires financial freedom.” She’s ensuring they can claim it.* MEDIA MESSAGING: Then we shifted from early gender roles to later ones. Katja Meier is an award-winning screen writer trying to produce a TV show featuring a 59-year old woman who inherits a lot of money from her capitalist oil baron father and wants to distribute it differently, based on role models like Mackenzie Scott or Melinda French Gates. The producers wanted her to shave 20 years off her leading lady. It’s a great commentary on the money that a lot of Q3 women around the world are likely to inherit over the coming decade, and how little understanding there is of their motivations or interests. “As women, we’ve learned to figure things out—whether it’s navigating careers, family, or life’s challenges. The world may doubt us, but we know what we’re doing.”* GRANDPARENTING: Another lens into emerging Q3 women’s roles is Terri Apter’s new book, Grandparenting. She explores the complexity of modern parenting and grandparenting and how ageing feminists are redefining all the scripts. “We thought we’d finished the feminist fight. And then we became grandmothers. Suddenly, we’re back to renegotiating what’s selfish, what’s selfless—and what’s ours.”Each of these women is working across generational lines, using knowledge, empathy, and strategy to help younger people thrive – while also claiming space for their own evolving roles in later life.Act 2: Waking the World UpThe second half of the season looked outward – to the structural and business awakening needed around longevity. These guests are pioneering new ways to educate, communicate, and convene around one of the biggest shifts of our time: the reality that we’re living longer, and need new systems to match.* EDUCATION: Céline Abecassis-Moedas, Dean at Católica Lisbon School of Business and Economics, is redesigning leadership education to prepare executives for multigenerational teams and 100-year lives. Our Longevity Leadership programme is part of that future-facing work. If you’re interested, check out our upcoming Longevity Leadership Programme in Lisbon this June 23-27th. “What we do in the Longevity Leadership program is simple yet powerful: we connect the dots between personal transitions, corporate strategies, and societal shifts—because ageing is everyone’s business.”* MOVIES: Education takes different forms, and documentaries are a powerful way of sharing the multiple trends and advances on the scientific side. Ruben Figueres’ film Longevity Hackers, is a wonderfully global overview of the people and the debates swirling around making us live both longer and healthier. “90% of what we can do for longevity has nothing to do with expensive treatments—it’s about lifestyle. Diet, exercise, sleep, and mindset are the key. The best part? These things are available to everyone, not just the wealthy.”* CONFERENCES: Michael and Nancy Hodin, through their Global Coalition on Aging and the International Longevity Summit, are bringing together global leaders, policymakers, and thinkers to elevate longevity as the defining issue of our era. “We’re living longer than ever before, but our systems weren’t built for it. Businesses and governments need to rethink everything—from healthcare to workforce strategies—to truly capitalize on the longevity economy.”* ENTREPRENEURSHIP: Brian Clark, founder of Copyblogger and Further, is using the power of content to tell richer, more resonant stories of midlife and beyond – stories that speak to meaning, reinvention, and legacy. “The longevity economy is the biggest market opportunity and the biggest societal problem you could tackle right now. And yet, businesses are still sleeping on it.”* BOOKS & RESEARCH: Debra Whitman, head of thought leadership at AARP and author of The Next Fifty, is challenging outdated perceptions of ageing and urging institutions to reimagine how we live, work, and contribute across longer lives. “Aging isn't just an extension of the first half of life—it’s an entirely new chapter. We need to reframe it, rethink it, and embrace it.”* LEGACY: James Hagerty, who writes the Wall Street Journal’s obituary column (and has done over 800 of them) recommends that we all write our own stories – early. It’s the only way of ensuring the whole narrative survives. “Most people don’t think their early life is worth sharing, but that’s where the real story begins—how and why you became who you are.”These voices are loud, clear, and future-focused. They’re not just adapting to longer lives – they’re re-imagining them and designing for them.Season 8 was a reminder that longevity is a lens – one that lets us see both the potential of our later decades and the urgent need to rethink how we adapt to the realities of our ageing societies and their consequences.If you know someone who’s shaping the future of longer lives and careers, ageing societies and shifting demographics – or living their 4-Quarters in a way the world needs to hear – let me know. Season 9 is almost finished, but we’re in planning mode for Season 10 which will publish in the fall.Elderberries is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. Get full access to Elderberries at elderberries.substack.com/subscribe
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  • Dr Terri Apter: The Complexities of Grandparenting
    In this week’s 4-Quarter Lives, Avivah Wittenberg-Cox talks with Dr Terri Apter, psychologist and author of the recently published Grandparenting: On Love and Relationships Across Generations. They discuss the evolving role of grandparents in modern family dynamics and how becoming a grandparent changes relationships with every family member, from adult children to in-laws. Terri categorizes grandmothers into three types: Feminists: Who provide childcare to support their daughters' careers; Radicals: Who prioritize their own independence; and Subversives: Who engage with grandchildren in unconventional ways. She also highlights the evolving role of grandfathers, who now offer hands-on support, sometimes more than they did as fathers. Teens, especially boys, often trust grandfathers most. She discusses alternative ways of grandparenting for those without biological grandchildren, emphasizing mentorship, community involvement, and the role of step-grandparents. This thought-provoking episode reframes grandparenting as a dynamic, multi-generational negotiation, filled with love, shifting expectations, and social change.Terri Apter, Ph.D. is a psychologist and prize-winning writer. Her books on family dynamics, identity and relationships received international acclaim. In addition to her most recent book Grandparenting: On Love and Relationships across Generations, they include Altered Loves: Mothers and Daughters During Adolescence (a New York Times Notable Book of the Year), and The Confident Child (winner of the Delta Kappa Gamma International Educator’s Prize). Her reviews and articles have appeared in the Guardian, the TLS, the Financial Times, the New York Times Book Review, and the Psychologist, and she is a regular blogger for Psychology Today. Raised in Chicago, Terri moved to the UK to study at Edinburgh University and Cambridge University, where she has worked ever since.Some Useful Links:* Terri Apter’s website* Buy Grandparenting here (UK)* Buy Grandparenting here (USA) Get full access to Elderberries at elderberries.substack.com/subscribe
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  • Dr. Debra Whitman: Getting Ready for the Next Fifty
    In this week’s 4-Quarter Lives, Avivah Wittenberg-Cox talks with Dr. Debra Whitman, Executive Vice President and Chief Public Policy Officer for the AARP (the American Association of Retired Persons). They talk about ageing, longevity, and her new book The Second Fifty: Answers to the 7 Big Questions of Midlife and Beyond. Whitman discusses her role at AARP, an organization supporting people over 50 but open to all ages, focusing on advocacy, research, and benefits. She shares her motivation for writing the book, realizing as she approached 50 that many aspects of aging were not well understood. The book addresses key questions like life expectancy, financial security, work longevity, and health. They explore inequalities in ageing, with Whitman highlighting disparities in life expectancy based on income, location, race and the U.S. healthcare system’s focus on disease treatment over prevention. The discussion also covers the challenges of retirement planning, with many forced to work longer due to financial instability. Whitman advocates for policy changes, including improved retirement systems and long-term care solutions. She emphasizes the benefits of a positive ageing mindset, which can extend life expectancy. Relationships are also crucial for well-being, often outweighing financial wealth. The conversation underscores the need for individuals and societies to rethink and reframe ageing. As Chief Public Policy Officer of the AARP, Dr Debra Whitman leads policy development, analysis and research, as well as global thought leadership supporting and advancing the interests of individuals age 50-plus and their families. She oversees AARP’s Public Policy Institute, AARP Research, Office of Policy Development and Integration, Thought Leadership, and AARP International. An economist, her career has been dedicated to solving problems affecting economic and health security, and other issues related to population ageing. Formerly staff director for the U.S. Senate Special Committee on Aging, she worked to increase retirement security, lower the cost of health care, protect vulnerable seniors, safeguard consumers, make the pharmaceutical industry more transparent, and improve the USA’s long term care system. Before that, Dr. Whitman worked for the Congressional Research Service as a specialist in the economics of ageing and, from 2001 to 2003, she served as a Brookings LEGIS Fellow to the U.S. Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions. Dr. Whitman serves on several boards, including the National Academy of Social Insurance, Syracuse University Maxwell School and the Pension Rights Center. She holds master’s and doctorate degrees in economics from Syracuse University and a bachelor’s degree in economics, math and Italian from Gonzaga University.Some Useful Links:* Buy ‘The Second Fifty here (USA)* Buy ‘The Second Fifty here (UK)* AARP website* Debra’s AARP Blogs Get full access to Elderberries at elderberries.substack.com/subscribe
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  • Anuradha das Mathur: Strengthening the Next Generation in India
    This week on 4-Quarter Lives, Avivah Wittenberg-Cox talks with Anuradha Das Mathur, the founder of an original Management and Leadership programme in INDIA, dedicated to young women with ambition. Vedica Scholars is a pioneering leadership program that helps young women in India build sustainable, ‘break-free’ careers by refusing the cultural choice between work and family. This year, it’s celebrating its 10th anniversary and fast-growing alumnae group.In this conversation, Anuradha and Avivah explore how Vedica is transforming career trajectories for ambitious women, challenging traditional gender norms, identifying enlightened employers and companies, and fostering a new generation of leaders who are financially independent, self-assured, and unafraid to break free from outdated expectations. Anuradha also describes her personal journey - how her own awakening to gender inequalities led her to launch a program that has now empowered over 800 women. She and Avivah discuss the changing aspirations of young women in India, the cultural shifts influencing their career and life choices, and how this might be transferred to other regions of the world. India’s evolution is key to the 21st century, as are its women.Anuradha Das Mathur is Founding Director of the Vedica Foundation, the Founder and Dean of the Vedica Scholars Programme for Women, and Founder of the Vedica Women’s Alliance, a network of senior women professionals who are committed to advocate for a more gender-balanced professional ecosystem. She also serves as Senior Adviser at the DGA Group and is Managing Director of the CFO Collective – a boutique media company serving India’s senior finance community. She has also co-founded Samarth, one of India’s most reputed elder care companies with operations in 100 cities. Anuradha spent twelve years of her career with the Indian affiliate of the Economist Intelligence Unit, where she led the research and advisory business, working at the intersection of the policy, business and development sectors. Prior to this, she ran Businessworld, India’s most widely-read business magazine. She was selected, with 25 other women globally, for the prestigious Global Women's Mentoring Partnership program, a joint initiative by Fortune and the U.S. Department of State. Her passion for improving women’s participation in the workforce took root during this programme and has led to her pioneering ventures such as The Foundation for Working Women and the Vedica Foundation. In 2016, she was elected to be a part of India's ‘100 Women Achievers’, an initiative launched by the Government of India. Anuradha received a B.A. in Economics from Lady Shri Ram College, Delhi University and an M.A. in Economics from Trinity College, Cambridge University. In 2016 she was selected as a Yale Greenberg Global World Fellow. Some Useful Links:* Vedica Scholars Programme Website* The Vedica Story | Inception, Impact, and Vision* “If you can’t see it, you can’t be it” - Only 11% of Top Business School Case Studies Have a Female Protagonist* Falling fertility rates leave India staring at a looming demographic challenge Get full access to Elderberries at elderberries.substack.com/subscribe
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You are likely to live longer than you think. Are you ready? Science has gifted us ever longer, 100-year lives. This impacts… everything! From couples and careers - to companies and countries. We’ll interview the experts who are exploring the consequences – and the individuals applying it to their own lives and choices. Generational and gender expert Avivah Wittenberg-Cox talks with people designing new ways of living, working and loving at all ages – across life’s 4 quarters. elderberries.substack.com
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