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Two Steps Forward — Sustainability Meets Business Reality

Joel Makower and Solitaire Townsend
Two Steps Forward — Sustainability Meets Business Reality
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  • Two Steps Forward — Sustainability Meets Business Reality

    Story as strategy: What writing climate fiction teaches us about communicating sustainability

    18.1.2026 | 33 Min.
    In this episode, we talked about Solitaire's remarkable new novel — but the most useful part of the conversation wasn’t about the book’s alternative Roman Empire or its sword-wielding heroine. It was about what writing fiction taught her about what makes any story actually work.

    Solitaire’s biggest takeaway is deceptively simple: Stories are not about issues, they are about people. Not systems, trends, frameworks or even impacts.

    People.

    That sounds obvious, until you look closely at most sustainability communications. We routinely aspire to tell stories when we’re actually merely presenting information: emissions trajectories, regulatory developments, technology roadmaps, ESG metrics.

    All are important. Most are necessary. And little of it, on its own, is storytelling.
  • Two Steps Forward — Sustainability Meets Business Reality

    Sustainability Journalism: Reflecting on the Past, Navigating the Future

    05.1.2026 | 38 Min.
    In the first episode of our Two Steps Forward podcast for 2026, we reflect on the evolution of sustainability journalism. The occasion: Marking 25 years of covering sustainable business on Trellis.net (née GreenBiz.com).

    As sustainability has evolved, so too has the field of journalism. In the early days, sustainability was largely about environmental engineering — reducing waste or saving energy. Today, the issues are broader and more complex: climate justice, social equity, biodiversity and other topics.

    The challenge for journalists is translating these complex topics into something understandable and meaningful for the public. The growing use of insider speak — terms like “double materality” — has only added to the confusion.

    One big question for 2026: Can sustainability drive affordability?
  • Two Steps Forward — Sustainability Meets Business Reality

    The unsustainable world of sustainability thought leadership

    15.12.2025 | 33 Min.
    What does it mean to be a corporate sustainability thought leader these days?

    In this episode Joel Makower and Solitaire Townsend delve into that question, confronting a paradox at the heart of corporate sustainability: At the very moment when business needs to step up and help shape the sustainability agenda, most companies have lost their nerve to talk about it.

    In an era of climate disruption, institutional distrust and political polarization, silence isn’t neutral. It’s risky.
  • Two Steps Forward — Sustainability Meets Business Reality

    Siemens' Eva Riesenhuber on competing in an age of transition

    01.12.2025 | 35 Min.
    The sustainability landscape is littered with bold claims, ambitious targets and a widening gap between rhetoric and reality. Against that backdrop, Siemens AG presents a case worth examining — not because it declares itself a climate leader, but because it treats the climate transition as an operating constraint rather than a branding opportunity.

    Eva Riesenhuber, Siemens’ Global Head of Sustainability, is explicit about the forces shaping the moment. “We are in the middle of two transitions,” she told us — the energy transition and the emerging circularity transition — and “the business case for sustainability is very healthy.”

    That’s a confident assertion, but it raises a question: Is Siemens ahead of the curve, or simply well positioned to adapt to a world whose regulations and market forces increasingly leave companies little choice?
  • Two Steps Forward — Sustainability Meets Business Reality

    Is COP30 a game-changer?

    17.11.2025 | 33 Min.
    What's going on at COP30? You wouldn't know much by reading the mainstream media, other than the relatively mild protests and the usual infrastructure problems nearly all COPs face. But what should companies know about the substance of the event?
    In this episode of our Two Steps Forward podcast, we take stock — Soli from inside the Blue Zone at COP30 in sweltering Belém, Brazil, and Joel comfortably ensconced at home.
    What emerges is a candid dispatch from inside one of the hottest and most complex COPs yet.

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Being a sustainable business professional is both exhilarating and terrifying. Lots of steps forward…and back. To succeed you need deep insights, real experience, lots of inspiration, maybe a few laughs. Each episode, sustainable business veterans Solitaire Townsend and Joel Makower delve into the complexities of the moment and introduce you to provocative and inspiring people you need to know.
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