Growth Minds with Sean Kim

Malo Bourgon is the CEO of the Machine Intelligence Research Institute (MIRI), the world's oldest AI safety organization, and has testified before the US Senate and Canada's Parliament on the risks of smarter-than-human AI. In this conversation, he lays out why he believes the race to superintelligence carries a serious risk of human extinction, how today's AI is already showing early signs of deception and self-preservation, and what it would take to steer toward a future where things go right.
In this episode, we discuss:
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(1:48) The Extinction Risk And How Much Time We Actually Have
(3:40) The Real Logic Behind AI Extinction (It's Not The Terminator)
(6:09) The Chimp Analogy: Why A Smarter AI Becomes Indifferent To Us
(8:20) Why AI Develops Self-Preservation And Resists Being Changed
(9:38) AI Systems Already Resisting Shutdown In Real Tests
(10:58) Why AI Is Learning To Tell When It's Being Tested
(12:53) Is Anything More Important Than AI Safety Right Now?
(14:14) What The World Could Look Like By 2050
(15:29) The End Of Jobs And The Coming Crisis Of Meaning
(28:19) The Evolution Analogy: Why AI Learns Goals We Never Gave It
(35:19) If AI Beats Us At Intelligence, What Makes Us Human?
(41:30) Neuralink And Merging With AI: Driver Or Passenger?
(51:13) Which Jobs And Careers Survive The Next 10 Years
(1:14:31) Why We Can't Just "Pull The Plug" (The Loyal General Problem)
(1:18:02) The Best-Case Scenario And Reasons For Hope

Learn more about Malo Bourgon here:
Website: https://intelligence.org
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/malob
MIRI team page: https://intelligence.org/team/malo-bourgon

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Dr. Rachel Goldman is a clinical psychologist and Clinical Assistant Professor of Psychiatry at NYU Grossman School of Medicine who spent years as a bariatric psychologist and is a leading expert in the psychology of weight, food, and behavior change. In this conversation, she explains why losing weight rarely delivers the happiness people expect, the mindset foundations that make change actually stick, and how to build a healthier relationship with food, GLP-1s, and the data we track about ourselves.In this episode, we discuss:(0:00) Trailer(03:47) The Biggest Myth About How Weight Loss Will Make You Feel(05:04) Why 80–95% Regain Weight: Obesity As A Recurring Disease(09:49) Why Quick-Fix Overhauls Fail And Baby Steps Win(11:54) The Mental Foundations To Build Before Losing Weight(14:55) What Makes A Good "Why" For Losing Weight(16:26) The Non-Scale Victories That Matter Most(21:27) The Truth Behind Post-Surgery Self-Harm Headlines(25:52) How To Build A Healthier Relationship With Food(27:42) Addiction Transfer: Why You Swap One Habit For Another(30:15) The Cookie Strategy: Why You Should Just Eat It(32:32) How Your Self-Talk Becomes Your Reality(35:19) Who GLP-1s Like Ozempic Are Actually For(41:23) "Ozempic Personality" And Anhedonia Explained(45:53) Over-Optimization: Wearables, Orthorexia, And Orthosomnia(58:16) Why Human Connection Beats Your Sleep ScoreLearn more about Dr. Goldman here:Website: https://www.drrachelnyc.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/drrachelnycBook (When Life Happens): https://whenlifehappensbook.com
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Dr. Robert Lustig is a neuroendocrinologist, professor emeritus of pediatrics at UCSF, and bestselling author of Fat Chance, The Hacking of the American Mind, and Metabolical who has spent 40+ years studying metabolism and the role of sugar in chronic disease. In this conversation, he breaks down the real root of modern burnout, why fructose acts as a poison without its fiber "antidote," and the science of how sugar hijacks the same reward circuitry as any other addiction.
In this episode, we discuss:
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(1:45) The Real Root Of Burnout: Cortisol And Neuronal ATP Depletion
(8:02) The Amygdala's Four Brakes And Why They're All Failing At Once
(15:57) How Sugar Damages Every System In Your Brain
(17:55) Fructose vs. Fruit: Why Fiber Is The Antidote To The Poison
(21:27) The Orange Juice Scam That Reshaped How We Eat
(25:51) Why Ultra-Processed Food Makes You Eat 500 More Calories A Day
(31:09) Why Sugar Is Addictive (And The Economics That Prove It)
(38:46) Why You Don't Need Dietary Sugar To Live
(42:12) What Vietnam Vets Taught Us About Addiction And Environment
(43:57) Pleasure vs. Happiness: Dopamine, Serotonin, And Why It Matters
(51:46) Why Calorie Counting Is Dangerous
(52:35) The Truth About GLP-1s Like Ozempic: Benefits And Risks
(1:03:30) The Right Order To Eat Your Food To Blunt Blood Sugar
(1:11:07) The Highest-ROI Steps To Build Stress Resilience
(1:13:05) Breaking Belief Systems With Psychedelics And Wim Hof

Learn more about Dr. Lustig here:
Website: https://robertlustig.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/robertlustigmd
Metabolical: https://metabolical.com

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Dr. Robin Berzin is a Columbia-trained functional medicine physician and the founder and CEO of Parsley Health, where she's seen 80% of patients improve or resolve their chronic conditions within their first year of care. In this conversation, she explains why "normal" lab ranges aren't optimal, how your gut quietly drives everything from brain fog to acne, and the longevity metrics that actually matter for living your fullest, longest life.
In this episode, we discuss:
(03:48) Why "Normal" Blood Ranges Aren't Optimal
(06:43) What Standard Blood Work Misses When You Still Feel Off
(08:13) The Tests To Run When You Feel Bad But Your Labs Look Fine
(12:14) What's Actually Happening In Your Body When You're Burnt Out
(17:08) Building A Better Relationship With Cortisol
(17:57) Why You Shouldn't Eat Carbs First Thing In The Morning
(22:26) Which Popular Tests Are Useless And Which Actually Matter (APOB)
(24:35) The AMH Fertility Test Myth Every Woman Should Know
(30:27) The Symptoms People Misdiagnose That Actually Start In The Gut
(33:16) The Key Levers For Better Gut Health
(36:54) Why Protein At Your First Meal Changes Everything
(40:51) The Longevity Metrics That Matter: VO2 Max And Sleep Consistency
(45:35) Why Low Muscle Mass Is One Of The Biggest Hidden Killers
(57:00) Why Women Were Excluded From Health Research Until 1993
(1:02:19) The Fertility Crisis: Microplastics, Toxins, And Sperm Counts

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Dr. Mao Shing Ni is a 38th-generation doctor of Chinese medicine, board-certified anti-aging specialist, and bestselling author of Secrets of Longevity who spent 20 years studying over 100 Chinese centenarians. In this conversation, he reveals what the world's longest-living people had in common, how your emotions silently age your organs, and the Taoist principles for living a longer, healthier, more balanced life.
In this episode, we discuss:
00:00 Why Centenarians Stopped Eating At 75% Full
02:22 The Common Traits Of People Who Live Past 100
05:30 The Eating Habits That Contradict Western Diet Advice
07:37 Why Rural "Blue Zone" Communities Produce The Most Centenarians10:46 How Community And Connection Drive Longevity Anywhere
15:14 The 2,000-Year-Old Question From The Yellow Emperor's Classic
19:07 Why We Think We Can Cheat The Rules Of Health
26:50 How Stress Is The #1 Silent Killer (Inflammaging Explained)
29:24 Why Overtraining And Extreme Cold Plunges Backfire
31:28 Traditional Chinese Medicine vs. Western Medicine, Explained
39:14 What Is Qi And Why It's Fundamental To Healing
44:20 Can You Feel Other People's Energy? The Science Of Qi
52:59 Dr. Mao's Own Burnout And The Game-Changer: Sleep
56:06 Wu Wei: Effortless Action For Ambitious High Performers
1:06:41 How Hot Water And Keeping Warm Protect Your Digestion

Learn more about Dr. Mao here:
Website: https://www.taoofwellness.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dr.mao_
YouTube / Ask Dr. Mao: https://www.youtube.com/@TaoofWellness / https://www.askdrmao.com
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