GeriPal - A Geriatrics and Palliative Medicine Podcast
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LATE vs Alzheimer's: Biomarkers, Mixed Dementia, and Clinical Realities with Nate Chin & Sterling Johnson
06.08.2026 | 45 Min.Up until just a couple years ago, an 85-year-old patient presenting with gradual, amnestic memory loss was almost automatically presumed to have Alzheimer's disease. However, new biomakers and the recognition of conditions like Limbic-predominant age-related TDP-43 encephalopathy (LATE) are reshaping our understanding of cognitive decline in older adults. It's looking more clear that pure Alzheimers dementia is rare in older adults, and co-occurring pathologies that may include Alzheimer's, LATE, Lewy Body, and vascular neuropatholigies, are the rule rather than the exception.
In this episode of the GeriPal Podcast, we sit down with Sterling Johnson and Nate Chin from the University of Wisconsin. Sterling is a clinical neuropsychologist and researcher who leads the CLARiTI study, which is attempting to uncover the intersecting causes of dementia. Nate is the medical director and Clinical Core Co-Leader for the Wisconsin Alzheimer's Disease Research Center (ADRC), the host of the Dementia Matters podcast, and author of a new book When Memory Fades.
We tackle the real-world complexity of mixed dementia and its major diagnostic and clinical treatment dilemmas. We also go in deep to discuss LATE, from what it is, to how it presents, to whether it should change how we think about using newly approved disease-modifying therapies when a patient has confirmed amyloid positivity alongside suspected LATE.- Can simple, evidence-based video decision aids—paired with structured clinician training—improve Advance Care Planning (ACP) documentation and goal-concordant care? That's the question we pose in this week's podcast with Dr. Joshua Lakin and Dr. Kei Ouchi. We break down the methodologies behind two major clinical trials in which they were involved that implemented this video-enhanced approach.
The first study, published in JGIM, was a multicenter, parallel randomized trial of 598 seriously ill older adults in emergency departments (EDs). It tested whether watching a 5-minute video and having a short, 10-minute structured clinical conversation during acute ED visits could establish longitudinal care preferences. The researchers found that this intervention not only increased ACP documentation at 3 months (45.6% vs. 31.3%), but also significantly increased goal-concordant care in a subset of study participants who died in the hospital.
The second study, published in JAMA Network Open, was a multicenter, stepped-wedge trial involving 13,800 older adults with advanced cancer across 29 outpatient oncology clinics. Practices in the trial received patient video tools and VitalTalk clinician training. The bundled intervention led to a statistically significant increase in electronic health record (EHR) ACP documentation (25.3% vs. 20.8% with usual care).
Both studies provide strong evidence that combining video-enhanced ACP with clinician training improves documentation of these discussions. What I loved most, though, is that the JGIM paper offers some of the first evidence that combining these approaches directly helps patients receive care aligned with their true values. - The longevity industry is booming. Influencers are promoting this and that as promoting healthy aging, longevity, and healthspan, and it's hard for us, much less our patients, to make sense of it. To be sure, we should always start by recommending exercise, nutritious foods, good sleep habits, and meaningful social interaction. We wanted to go beyond that to talk about the promise and potential and risks/harms of "biohacks."
Today we talk with Mahtab Jafari, PharmD, and John Newman, MD, PhD, and to discuss:
How we clinicians should think about this movement, knowing many of our patients (and ourselves) also prize living as long as we can as healthy as we can, and at the same time acknowledge that a high quality of life, growth, and a meaningful life are possible with support in states of disability or dementia.
How animal models can leading to promising therapeutics but must be tested in humans
What it takes for a drug to obtain approval for longevity or healthspan indications when we cannot realistically wait around 40 years for a result
We ask them to rate the evidence for many treatment on the scale of very promising, meh, or snake oil/avoid, including creatine, metformin, GLP1, SGLT2i, NAD+, testosterone/estrogen, red light therapy, rapamycin, and rodeola rosea.
And I get to sing Wake Me Up by Avicii - an uplifting song with lyrics that could have multiple meanings - makes you think!
-Alex Smith Who Should Deliver Palliative Care in Liver Disease? Chris Woodrell, Manisha Verma, Marie Bakitas
02.07.2026 | 50 Min.Who's better at delivering palliative care to patients with liver disease: palliative care specialists, or hepatologists who have received liver disease-specific palliative care training?
That's the question we take a deep dive into on this week's podcast by breaking down the PAL-LIVER trial, published this year in JAMA Internal Medicine. We've invited three of the trial's authors, Manisha Verma, Chris Woodrell, and Marie Bakitas, to discuss this cluster-randomized clinical trial spanning 19 U.S. medical centers.
We'll discuss:
Why was this trial done?
Do we really need to run a separate palliative care trial for every single organ disease?
What kind of specialized palliative care training did the hepatologists receive?
What exactly is meant by the finding that hepatologists were not statistically superior, but were shown to be statistically non-inferior?
Lastly, we discuss whether these results change anyone's practice, and whether healthcare systems should decide which type of palliative care model to fund (primary vs. specialty.)
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References we discussed
Developing palliative care interventions in liver disease using formative and summative qualitative evaluation. Hepatology 2026
Palliative Care for Advanced Liver Disease: Hepatology and Palliative Care Specialists Experiences. J Pain Symptom Manage 2026Why you should care about the shakeup at NIH: Sean Morrison, Ken Covinsky, Stacy Fischer
18.06.2026 | 47 Min.Emergency Podcast! Our guests Sean Morrison, Ken Covinsky, and Stacy Fischer believe that you should care deeply about the proposed shakeup at the National Institutes of Health. Major proposed rules changes at the Office of Management and Budget, would affect a huge range of government grants, from Headstart to Transportation to the National Science Foundation, as well as the National Institutes of Health (NIH), the subject of today's podcast.
You dear listeners should all care. You should care because you care for older adults, or you're a researcher who studies palliative care, or you're a chaplain who visited with the family of a patient who died today. You should care because these rule changes are so sweeping that they would remove standard components of the scientific review process and instead put them in the hands of political appointees.
You should care because if rules like this were in place in the 1980s, we might not have developed treatments to stop the HIV/AIDS epidemic. You should care because if these rules go into effect we will not be able to work with researchers in other countries studying outbreaks of Ebola or Hauntavirus. You should care because these rules silence federal research into groups of people we care for daily.
And if you're not a researcher, your voice is even more important here. As Sean says, researchers who protest these proposed rule changes might come across as self-serving. Clinicians who are not researchers - who can say that these rules will negatively impact the science that improves care of older adults living with chronic conditions and their families - your voices may resonate even more.
What can you do? Most of these rule changes are open for public comment here until July 13, 2026. Every comment will be read and requires a response. It's ok to respond anonymously. Personalized stories matter more than form responses. Tips:
1: Say (or just describe to keep anonymous) who you are and why you are qualified to comment. Telling the story of how patients and families you care for or study is enough. Get your partner and parents to respond too. Simply being a concerned citizen is perfectly fine.
2: List the exact provision #s that concern you, and explain what they would do. You do not need to quote the rule directly. Just explain what you understand it to mean in plain terms.
Political Appointees Take Control of Grant Awards (§200.205);
Peer Review Is No Longer Binding (§200.205(d));
Active Grants Can Be Terminated at Any Time, for Any Reason (§200.340);
DEI, Gender Research, and Related Topics Banned as Grant Conditions (§200.300);
Prohibition on International Scientific Collaboration (§200.220);
Conference Attendance Now Requires Express Agency Pre-Approval (§200.432);
Publication Costs and Open Access Fees Presumptively Unallowable (§200.461)
3: Explain the concrete harm. What would happen to your patients and their families if this provision takes effect?
4: Closing: State clearly what you want OMB to do. This can be as simple as: "I urge OMB to withdraw these specific provisions: §200.340, §200.202, §200.205." or "I urge OMB not to finalize this rule."
Submit your comment in opposition here: The deadline is July 13, 2026. You can also email your congressperson or senator.
Times they are a changin'.
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A geriatrics and palliative medicine podcast for every health care professional.
Two UCSF doctors, Eric Widera and Alex Smith, invite the brightest minds in geriatrics, hospice, and palliative care to talk about the topics that you care most about, ranging from recently published research in the field to controversies that keep us up at night. You'll laugh, learn, and maybe sing along.
CME and MOC credit available (AMA PRA Category 1 credits) at www.geripal.org
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